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EU wants explanation from Moscow on hostage storming
eubusiness ^ | 03 September 2004

Posted on 09/03/2004 3:10:43 PM PDT by dennisw

EU wants explanation from Moscow on hostage storming

03 September 2004 = = The EU refused Friday to rush to judgment on how Russian authorities acted in the bloody end to the hostage crisis in north Ossetia, but said it wants Moscow's explanation of the tragedy.

"It is premature now, without knowing the exact situation, to make a judgment on the way the Russian authorities acted," said Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, whose country currently holds the European Unionpresidency.

"We first have to evaluate the situation with the knowledge of all the details," he told reporters at the end of the first day of a two-day meeting of EU foreign ministers in the southern Netherlands.

But in a later statement Friday evening Bot said the EU will be seeking an explanation from Moscow.

"All countries in the world need to work together to prevent tragedies like this. But we also would like to know from the Russian authorities how this tragedy could have happened."

The comments came after around 100 were killed and over 550 injured as crack troops stormed a school in southern Russia, freeing children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.

Earlier in the day Bot called the denouement of the hostage crisis in the town of Beslan a "deep human tragedy" and said it appeared that authorities "considered very carefully this situation before deciding to take this action."

Speaking following afternoon talks, he added that "as figures are coming in it turns out that the drama is even greater than I thought."

He notably said that "perhaps at a later date" European leaders could discuss "with our Russian friends" the possibility of creating a joint anti-terrorism force.

"We should also eventually look into what has happened and discuss ... measures that can be taken to prevent such situations from occurring," he added.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: dennisw

Just Damn!


181 posted on 09/04/2004 12:48:39 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: dennisw

If Russia and the UK take out Germany and France with America's help, do we have to divide it up all over again?


182 posted on 09/04/2004 12:50:38 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: dennisw
Bernard Bot, the fantastic idiot in question:


183 posted on 09/04/2004 12:50:43 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.©)
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To: JoJo Gunn

Once we finished with Islam, EU is next. Go Russia, screw the EU.


184 posted on 09/04/2004 12:53:36 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: dennisw

So, do we know if the anti-Christ holds an EU seat right now?

I mean, does anyone wish to be a whistleblower and rat out the anti-Christ sitting over in Europe?

I always wondered how WWIII would start and how the Armageddon/'Death' Valley reality ahead of us came into play...fascinating times.


185 posted on 09/04/2004 12:54:37 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: dennisw
The Russians should tell EU to go pound sand.

Red

186 posted on 09/04/2004 12:54:54 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...Zell Miller can speak the truth.)
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To: JoJo Gunn

WHoa...you scared me there. Mr. Robinson after 20 years on crack...


187 posted on 09/04/2004 12:55:20 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: jpsb
The EU *IS* Muhammadanism! They *ARE* the great Yassir/Hamas/Insane/Jihadi enablers!

I've got your POS Muhammad right here you cowardly moon-god worshipping, demon-possessed lunatic bastards...
188 posted on 09/04/2004 12:58:45 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: dennisw

Putin should tell the EU to go to hell. Why do they think Russia is accountable to them? Who died and made the EU lord and master over the whole world? And this, coming from people who had to have the US bail them out in two world wars. These jokers couldn't fight their way out of a paper sack much less fight a WOT.


189 posted on 09/04/2004 1:00:02 AM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo])
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To: Conservative4Ever

It must peeve the Frenchies/Germans/Belgians to no end that there are now TWO world powers over whose actions they have ZERO influence. Can you say 'irrelevant'?


190 posted on 09/04/2004 1:01:18 AM PDT by StoneFury
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To: jwalsh07
All that you write is true...let's hope this is a big wake up call to Putin. Had to get another trite saying in. :)

Red

191 posted on 09/04/2004 1:01:28 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...Zell Miller can speak the truth.)
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To: dougherty
Putin should tell the EU to go to hell. Why do they think Russia is accountable to them? Who died and made the EU lord and master over the whole world? And this, coming from people who had to have the US bail them out in two world wars. These jokers couldn't fight their way out of a paper sack much less fight a WOT.


<<<

AND...

THESE are the LOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEERRRRRRRRS that John The Communist Fing Kerry wants us to acquiesce to! Traitor bastard!
192 posted on 09/04/2004 1:05:32 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ApesForEvolution

The Mind of an Islamic Terrorist

"The gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords."

The mind of an Islamic terrorist is difficult for a Western person to comprehend. What could lead a person to cause his or her own violent death is a question that is frequently raised. It is contrary to every human emotion that we have. Yet, we know there are hundreds of Islamic fundamentalists who are willing to kill and be killed for Allah.

An important reason is the promise that the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. During Muhammad's life, like today, there were many individuals who eagerly anticipated killing and dying in the Cause of Allah. The following is an account from the ancient classic Islamic text by Imam Muslim.

The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain. Sahih Muslim Book 020, Number 4681

This quotation from the Sahih Muslim hadith afford us a look into the mindset of a person who desired his own death in Allah's Cause.

He trusted the words of Muhammad implicitly.
He was motivated by a promise of an eternal heavenly Paradise.
He reassured himself that he heard correctly by asking Abu Musa. We see that he was very careful not to make a mistake, since his own life and eternal destiny were at risk. He wanted to make sure that Paradise would be achieved.
He said his final farewell greeting to his friends. He did not rush to death, because he had no friends. He had friends who understood his motivation.
He unsheathed his sword and threw the sheath away, because he was resolved not to return from the battle alive. He chose to die in battle as a martyr in Allah's Cause. Casting aside his sword's sheath strengthened his resolve to bring about his own martyrdom.
He fought the enemy fearlessly until he was slain.
Finally, we see that Muhammad's objectives were achieved, because his followers were utterly fearless with their lives in Allah's Cause. This fearlessness struck terror in the hearts of those they attacked.
Muhammad taught that the gates of Heaven were under the shadow of the swords, meaning that death for Allah’s sake assures entry into Paradise. The revulsion of the bloody sword of death is in juxtaposition to the blessedness of the gates of eternal joy. So, if a Muslim were to approach directly Paradise’s gate of eternal delight, then he must know that it is found under the shadows of the sharp, glistening swords of a martyr’s death in Allah’s Jihad against unbelievers.

Personally, spiritually, politically, intellectually and emotionally, the questions that an Islamic fundamentalist faces are stark indeed. Personally, he asks himself if he loves Allah more than his own life? Spiritually, he asks whether or not he is willing to sacrifice himself in Allah's Cause against Shaytan's power and the infidel's military forces? Politically, he divides the nations of the world into two warring camps. The nations under Islamic rule are termed, the Land of Peace (dar al-Islam) while the remaining nations are called, the Land of War (dar al-Harb). He asks himself if he should participate in bringing Allah's rule over the infidels and hypocrites. Intellectually, the answers to those questions are crystal clear to him. Emotionally, his only hurdle to overcome is the fear of death. Once this emotional fear is conquered, the person joyfully takes up the sword to kill and be killed in Allah's Cause, anticipating his entrance into the gates of heavenly Paradise.

Martyrdom is the only assured path to Paradise. Other pathways don’t guarantee acceptance into the gardens of sensual delights. A person may do many kind deeds during his life, but he may only hope that his deeds will be sufficient to merit entry into heaven, but they don’t guarantee success like martyrdom in the Cause of Allah. The Qur’an notes that one who strives in Allah’s cause belongs to the highest rank, and they are assured salvation.

Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: they are the people who will achieve (salvation). al-Tawbah 9:20 (Yusuf Ali's translation)

The Sahih al-Bukhari states,

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause—and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause—is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." Volume 4, Book 52, Number 46

On the other hand, the Qur’an teaches that a Muslim’s good deeds are put into a balance (scale) to be weighed against his evil deeds. They must await the final day of Judgment to learn the outcome of their encounter with Allah’s balance.

Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy,- they will attain salvation: But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls, in Hell will they abide. 23:102-102 (Yusuf Ali’s translation) Also, see Sura 101:6-8.

We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least, and if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it (to account): and enough are We to take account. Sura 21:47

Hence, martyrdom makes sense from an Islamic fundamentalist’s perspective. They know that death is the common lot of humanity. It is inescapable. So, rather than desperately clinging to life, they view martyrdom as an ultimate expression of their submission to Allah and Allah’s cause. They sacrifice their lives, because they love Allah, Muhammad, and eternal Paradise more than a few additional years on earth. They believe that martyrdom is the highest expression of their faith in Islam. Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran expressed it accurately when he said, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah."

They brandish their swords, intent upon murdering the enemies of Allah and dying while embracing the Apostle of Islam's pledge, "the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords."

Muhammad invoked Allah's name to encourage his followers to murder those who did not submit to his claims. Yet today, Western Muslims claim that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. This was not the Islam of Muhammad.

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193 posted on 09/04/2004 1:12:00 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: louscat

"Is it just me? "

No.


194 posted on 09/04/2004 1:13:34 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Westbrook

Thanks for the post...very much.


195 posted on 09/04/2004 1:16:55 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: StoneFury
I can't in my wildest imagination think how EU can believe this isn't 'coming to a theatre near you.' When is the world going to wake up and realize there are no hostages only victims. The monsters in Russia had no intention of letting those children and adults go..they were going to bomb the building from within. Wake up world. There is going to be only three choices very soon....convert to Islam...die....or...fight

Red

196 posted on 09/04/2004 1:18:49 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...Zell Miller can speak the truth.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Russia should give the EU their explanation



Zell Miller should deliver it.

197 posted on 09/04/2004 1:32:33 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: JRandomFreeper

According to stories comeing from VICTIMS, the mines were taped to the walls, tape came loose and one exploded. That is when the pandimonium ensued.

The Russian Special Forces started in when the TERRORISTS started SHOOTING KIDS in the BACK.

The TERRORISTS started the ending.

It is time for Chechnya to become a parking lot.

It is slowly becoming time for a new Crusades. As true History shows, the Moors invaded first, they siezed Jeruselum, The Christians went to war to free the holy city.

The Persians invaded but were stopped by Greece.

The Perisans invaded again and Alexander pushed them back.

All three events were started by Muslims.


198 posted on 09/04/2004 1:38:31 AM PDT by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: dennisw

Hey EU, FU!


199 posted on 09/04/2004 2:44:20 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: yall
the EU will be seeking an explanation from Moscow.

SCREW EU

200 posted on 09/04/2004 2:47:51 AM PDT by Flyer (I will never reference my tag line in my posts)
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