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Russian Innocents Killed by Terrorists Climb to 150 or More
AP ^ | 9/3/2004

Posted on 09/03/2004 10:04:07 AM PDT by ezfindit

Russians Storm School; 150 May Be Dead By MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer

BESLAN, Russia - Commandos stormed a school Friday in southern Russia and battled separatist rebels holding 1,200 hostages, as crying children, some naked and covered in blood, fled through explosions and gunfire. An official said the death toll could be significantly higher than 150.

Three of the separatist rebels were reportedly still blockaded in a school basement, trading fire with security forces. A Federal Security Service official said militants were still holding hostages — children among them.

Hours after much of the school was secured late Friday afternoon, a large explosion erupted from the school toward nightfall, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

Ten militants were killed in the violence, including nine Arabs, an aide to President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) said, according to the Interfax news agency. The Arab presence among the attackers would support Putin's contention that al-Qaida terrorists were involved in the Chechen conflict, where Muslim fighters have been fighting Russian forces in a brutal a war of independence for most of the past decade.

The chaotic climax to the hostage standoff began when explosions collapsed part of the school roof and gunfire erupted from inside the building where the militants, some with explosives strapped to their bodies, stormed the school Wednesday moring.

The militants — demanding independence for nearby Chechnya — kept the hostages, mostly women and children, in the sweltering gymnasium, refusing to let in food or water.

"They didn't let me go to the toilet for three days, not once. They never let me drink or go to the toilet," Teimuraz, the escaped hostage told APTN.

After the hostage-takers fled, more than 100 bodies were found in the gymnasium, some apparently killed when part of the school's roof collapsed in the explosion that prompted the Russian security forces to move in.

A Putin aide said the total death toll could be singificantly more than 150 people. An estimated 520 people were wounded, health officials said. The regional health minister earlier reported that at least 218 children were wounded.

Aslanbek Aslakhanov, Putin's top aide on Chechnya, said security forces did not plan to storm the building, but were prompted to move when the hostage-takers set off explosions early Friday afternoon. Witnesses said the militants opened fire on fleeing hostages and then began to escape themselves.

Gunfire rang out for hours as security forces chased hostage-takers, who split into small groups as they fled. Interfax and the ITAR-Tass news agency reported the three militants holed up in the basement may include the head of the group. Another group took refuge in a nearby house where tanks moved in.

Huge columns of smoke rose from the school. Windows were shattered, part of roof was gone and another part was charred. Commandos, residents and journalists scurried around the building and soldiers climbed inside through a lower floor window, all the glass missing.

People ran through the streets, and the wounded were carried off on stretchers. An Associated Press reporter saw ambulances speeding by, the windows streaked with blood. Four armed men in civilian clothes ran by, shouting, "A militant ran this way."

Soldiers and men in civilian clothes carried children — some naked, some clad only in underpants, some covered in blood — to a temporary hospital set up behind an armored personnel carrier. One child had a bandage on her head, others had bandaged limbs. Some women, newly freed from the school, fainted.

The children drank eagerly from bottles of water given to them once they reached safety. Many of the children were naked or only partly clothed because of the stifling heat in the gymnasium.

"I am helping you," a man dressed in camouflage told a crying girl. Women gathered around, trying to soothe her, saying "It's all right. It's all right."

A cameraman for the British network ITN reported seeing around 100 bodies in the gym. The correspondent for Russia's Interfax news agency reported that there were dozens of bodies in the school, including about 100 in the gym, and that some were killed when the building's roof collapsed from an explosion before the main assault began.

The White House branded the hostage-taking "barbaric" and "despicable" and said responsibility for dozens of lost lives rests with the terrorists. "The United States stands side-by-side with Russia in our global fight against terrorism," spokesman Scott McClellan said. ...

Militants opened fire on fleeing hostages and security forces returned fire. Once the hostage-takers sought to escape, Russian officials apparently made the decision to storm the building.

The militants had reportedly threatened to blow up the building if authorities tried to storm it, but all indications suggested the explosions began before the assault. Russian officials repeatedly said they were not planning to invade and had earlier won the release of 26 hostages through negotiations. Negotiators said the hostage-takers had repeatedly refused offers of food and water througout the standoff.

"They are very cruel people, we are facing a ruthless enemy," said Leonid Roshal, a pediatrician involved in the negotiations. "I talked with them many times on my cell phone, but every time I ask to give food, water and medicine to the hostages they refuse my request."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: animals; caucasus; chechnya; childrenkilled; innocence; islam; jihad; muslims; orthodox; ossetia; religionofpeace; russia; terrorism
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To: alberuni
Damn, you are good. You figured me out.

A guy who READS! He must be one of them intellectuals or sumpin!

BURN HIM ALIVE!


No, but you are no friend of anyone on this board. You are a terror enabler.

LBT

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221 posted on 09/03/2004 11:54:04 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Neocon Shavuz

No, I agree children are off limits, absolutely. Actually all civilians are. If someone wants to fight us they should take on our military. Actually, we don't have to kill much of anyone. Israel killed a couple of PA leaders and that seems to have gotten their attention.


222 posted on 09/03/2004 11:54:27 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: alberuni

Who let you out of Gitmo?


223 posted on 09/03/2004 11:54:32 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Publius6961
The question I'm asking is: will killing a lot of Chechen civilians solve the problem of stopping Chechen terrorists?

I'm saying that the answer is no: it will in fact make it easier for the Chechens to recruit more terrorists.

I understand that some people around here get visceral pleasure from screaming for Islamic blood.

However, widespread killing often has unintended consequences, as the Russians have found to be the case with the Chechens. They have, in fact, tried your method, and it obviously did not work. Indeed, Russian actions in Chechnya are partly responsible for the terrorists' willingness to do this sort of thing in the first place.

226 posted on 09/03/2004 11:57:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: alberuni

Was Muhommed a pedophile?


227 posted on 09/03/2004 11:59:03 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: alberuni
You have never responded to my original post about Wahabbism and the refutation of your statement that Islam is a religion of peace. I can only assume that in the barrage of posts in your direction that it got lost somewhere. That is unless, you just saw no reason to respond.

However the Chechan war was prosecuted, the response of the Wahabbists is typical of Islam and now is transported by Wahabbist (or Islamists) world wide. There is no negotiations possible with them. They have no regard for human life at all. Less than the soldiers who have committed atrocities against the Chechans.

Are you suggesting negotiate with this group? That would invite even more attacks as now the west and Russia would then be percieved as being weak. You cannot equivocate the Islamist response of attacking civilians with the war of Chechnya. Russia cannot back down, nor should it.

229 posted on 09/03/2004 12:01:40 PM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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To: alberuni

Don't be an ass. Fight your natural urgings for just one moment.

"advocating genocide against people because of their religion - not because of their acts."

When the religion says "convert infidels or kill them", yes, you bet we will damn sure try to eliminate that religion.

You continue to misuse the term "genocide", BTW.


230 posted on 09/03/2004 12:04:25 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: alberuni
OK good plan. Kill enough of the Muslims so that the rest will be pacified. Seems to have worked in Chechnya. Good luck with that.

It worked with Carthage. That is a historical fact.

231 posted on 09/03/2004 12:05:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; 7.62 x 51mm; A Jovial Cad; a_witness; adam_az; af_vet_rr; ..

232 posted on 09/03/2004 12:05:55 PM PDT by Alouette (My son, the IDF soldier, on guard for Israel)
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To: alberuni

Go crawl back under your rock.


233 posted on 09/03/2004 12:08:04 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo])
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To: alberuni
I beg to differ. I am an American with strong sense of justice, freedom, and liberty. It disgusts me to see supposed conservatives acting like communist or fascist totalitarians, advocating genocide against people because of their religion - not because of their acts. You give conservatives a bad name.

Obviously I disagree. Conservative are human beings. All human being can be pushed to a point by threats where relief can only be achieved through drastic measures.

Unfortunately for you and your friends once we reach this point as a nation the sympathizer and enablers are as at risk as the combatants. Seems to me that any group with the slightest sense of self-preservation would realize this and act accordingly. If they don't how could any reasonable man not believe that they are part of the problem.

This is a dangerous country to play your game in. For obvious reasons.

LBT

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234 posted on 09/03/2004 12:08:16 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Alouette

That is ONE FUNNY post!!!


235 posted on 09/03/2004 12:09:45 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: alberuni
"You are advocating genocide. And you think terrorism is evil?"

You and most people on this board are on different sides in this war. Your side (Muslim terrorists) wants to kill the people on this board. Is it surprising that the people on this board would want to kill the Muslim terrorists in self defense?

It would be nice if no one had to kill anyone but the terrorists won't leave us in peace.
236 posted on 09/03/2004 12:09:47 PM PDT by monday
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To: Alouette

Yeppers,
I think we need kitties here.


237 posted on 09/03/2004 12:10:02 PM PDT by najida (Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I am.)
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To: monday
I am not defending alberuni, but he is not defending Muslim terrorists or terrorism. He is saying that Russia prosecuted a dirty war and are only getting paid back for their atrocities.

He is saying that both sides are equally culpable in this horror and should stip attacking each other.

After that, they should pass the peace pipe, hold hands, sing "kumbayah", and then hug some trees.

238 posted on 09/03/2004 12:13:31 PM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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To: Alouette

I think you can add a zot to aberuni that account has been banned or suspended.


239 posted on 09/03/2004 12:13:47 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: najida

Kitties came, ate, left.


240 posted on 09/03/2004 12:13:59 PM PDT by Alouette (My son, the IDF soldier, on guard for Israel)
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