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Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate
Vanity | Sept 2, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/02/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson
"I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes."

No one legitimately "here" could do that. Sadly, however, "we" are not the electorate in Chicago.

41 posted on 09/02/2004 2:12:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (SPITBALLS?!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes

Does anyone really know enough about Obama to conclude anything other than he's coming out of Daley's Chicago machine and marching in Kerry's charade parade?
42 posted on 09/02/2004 2:13:06 PM PDT by pt17
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To: Jim Robinson
I agree, Keyes is the only politician that understands the constitution's original meaning and intent IMO.
43 posted on 09/02/2004 2:13:20 PM PDT by afnamvet (USAF Tuy Hoa AFB RVN 68-69 NOT FONDA KERRY!)
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To: cyborg
Obama is sane??? What makes you think that?

For one, Obama is capable of forming a complete sentence without foaming at the mouth, unlike the Joker Keyes. Also, Obama doesnt do the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

I would be more likely to believe Keyes was the Anti-Christ than that he could ever be elected to any national office. Heck, I doubt he could be elected dog catcher in his hometown unless someone pointed out that Keyes would then have to clean the dog cages.

45 posted on 09/02/2004 2:13:59 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Truthsearcher
They are the Republicans who are the "useful idiots" of the left.

When you speak of "useful idiots" you do mean Keyes, right?

46 posted on 09/02/2004 2:14:53 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: feinswinesuksass
I doubt Alan lost any Republican votes with that comment.

What comment? The selfish hedonist comment? Do you expect him to forfeit his beliefs? He was asked a general question, and then the questioner applied it specifically. It amazes me how social stigma works. Everyone gets all up in arms because someone speaks negatively about homosexuality now. You know, it wasn't that long ago that it was the other way around. No one is more tolerant. Right and wrong have just turned upside down.

47 posted on 09/02/2004 2:14:59 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Taliesan
He's for them, but not really. Uh-huh. Correct answer: yes. He is for reparations.

No, I don't think he is. For someone who talks down on Keyes, you certainly don't seem to know him very well.

48 posted on 09/02/2004 2:16:03 PM PDT by kevkrom (My handle is "kevkrom", and I approved this post.)
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To: Dave S

Ah well that's too sad.


49 posted on 09/02/2004 2:16:16 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT


50 posted on 09/02/2004 2:16:29 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree with you.

I just hope Keyes can stay on message and not let himself get embroiled in conversations that hurts the conservative movement.

Talk-show host Keyes' could say certain things that 'candidate Keyes' should not.


51 posted on 09/02/2004 2:17:12 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, Keyes is the wrong man for the wrong state. He's coming into Illinois, all fire and brimstone, and if he gets more that 25% of the vote, I'll be very surprised.

Now he may go over better in another state that's used to that style of politicing, but in Illinois? No way.

52 posted on 09/02/2004 2:17:27 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Dave S

Even if you disagree with Keyes, there's no need to insult him in that fashion... useful idiot. Tell us about your life, and IQ that you feel so free to call him an IDIOT.


54 posted on 09/02/2004 2:18:03 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: yeswecan

Go and ahead and correct my spelling, it doesnt change Keyes mental status. At the least the guy is a fool. I dont know who was dumber, him for running or the Illinois Republicans for being so desperate. Im glad that IL is already a lost cause as far as the Presidential election. I would hate to think that Bush would lose those electoral votes due to Keyes bumbling.


55 posted on 09/02/2004 2:18:26 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: GetZarqawiNow
You should educate yourself on the state of the Illinois GOP. Unfortunately, from an overall perspective, it's more liberal than the Indiana Democrat Party. That's a sad statement, but pretty close to the mark!

Very accurate assessment of the GOP in Illinois.

56 posted on 09/02/2004 2:20:01 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Why are you mad at me? I didn't write that he said anything wrong.


57 posted on 09/02/2004 2:20:20 PM PDT by Feiny (It's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes.

Because Keyes went off the deep end. When he first joined the race I heard him in a radio interview. But with his recent behavoir I don't think I want him representing me. I just won't cast a vote in that race.

58 posted on 09/02/2004 2:22:02 PM PDT by rudypoot (Kerry sold out the US for political gain before now and he is doing it again.)
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To: feinswinesuksass

I'm not mad at you. Not at all. I'm just defensive and it came across as mad. I need to work on how my writing tone comes across. I'm not as mad as I apparently sound. Just determined. LOL!


59 posted on 09/02/2004 2:24:14 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Alan Keyes has earned himself some well-deserved criticism, but that doesn't necessarily translate into Obama being a better choice in this election. However, a very real problem with Keyes is that if he gets elected, and thus has a prominent platform from which to continue some of his more bizarre ramblings, then 6 years from now, it'll be whole lot easier for someone like Obama to get elected, even if opposed by a more rational and tactful conservative than Keyes.

There's invariably a backlash against the sort of stuff he's gotten hammered for, and in his case, from both ends of the political spectrum: the right is alarmed by his reparations talk, and the left, along with much of the middle and right, is alarmed by his recent rudely and poorly articulated attack on gays in general and on Mary Cheney in particular. I don't think he'd be real tight with the White House for the next 4 years (assuming Bush/Cheney are there), and that would be a serious handicap for a Republican Senator.

So one could reasonably argue that, since Keyes is a less-than-optimal candidate, and would be handicapped while in office, it might be better in the long run to have the distasteful Obama elected, as it would increase the chances of a better Republican candidate than Keyes taking the seat 6 years down the road and keeping it for a good long time.

Since I'm not in Illinois, I'm happy to say that I'm not faced with actually having to make a choice here.


60 posted on 09/02/2004 2:24:18 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Donate to the Swift Vets -- www.swiftvets.com)
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