Posted on 08/30/2004 6:04:09 PM PDT by mhking
AMSTERDAM — Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was given police protection on Monday following the screening of a controversial and "insulting" film about the abuse suffered by women in Islamic societies.
The writer of the film, Liberal VVD politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is already under police protection following earlier threats to her life.
Van Gogh said despite the shocking content of the film — which casts an accusing eye on the treatment of women in the Islamic faith — no threats were made against him, news agency ANP reported.
The English-language film Submission features four abused women in see through clothing who tell of their mistreatment by male members of their families. They say the abuse they suffer is sanctioned by the Koran. The women's' breasts are visible and anti-women texts from the Koran are written on their bodies.
The 10-minute film was broadcast for the first time on the VPRO programme Zomergasten on Monday night.
The idea for the film originated with Hirsi Ali, who has been strident in her criticism of the way in which the Koran sanctions physical violence against women. The MP has previously been forced into hiding after receiving death threats and is accompanied everywhere by armed bodyguards.
The film is a fierce condemnation of the abuses of women in the Islamic faith, allegedly incited by verses in the Koran. Hirsi Ali said she wanted to demonstrate that the Koran itself advocates the beating of women and other abuses.
The outspoken Somali-born Dutch MP also said in the VPRO programme that she did not want to provoke anyone. Instead, she wished to stimulate thought and discussion.
The chairman of the Islam and Citizenship foundation, M. Sini., said he respected the right of the filmmakers to express their opinion, but he also said the film was an offensive provocation that was insulting for Muslims.
"You must place the equality of men and women up for discussion, but not in this manner," he said.
Amsterdam University academic, Thijl Sunier — who has done research on the Muslim community — also claimed that Hirsi Ali had missed her target.
The academic said most Muslims will react in a resigned manner to the film, asserting that the discussion about the position of women has been taking place among the Dutch Islamic community for years.
"It is pure nonsense to suggest that a majority of Muslims don't want that discussion," Sunier said.
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That's not Kirsti what-her-name.
Do Islamists know of any other way of registering their disapproval other than killing (or threatening to kill) those they disagree with?
RoP alert! Standard m.o: Someone dares to criticize Islam and death threats result. Has a fatwa been issued?
We'll kill you if you say Islam is violent.
Do Islamists know of any other way of registering their disapproval other than killing (or threatening to kill) those they disagree with?
Give them time and the Dims will learn a thing or 2 from the Mohammedans.
RELIGION OF PEACE ALERT !!! (sorry, couldn't resist)
No... The only thing they know is to kill...
These medieval ragheads can't stand the truth. Their
whole belief system is founded on lies.
If someone made a film featuring nude women with "anti-women texts" from the New Testament or the Torah written on their bodies I suppose that would be acceptable?
Yes of course.
Imprisonment, banishment and torture are also used.
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To achieve a truly analogous situation, you would have to first find some women who were willing to assert that they were abused on the basis of such texts. After that, to achieve equivalency with Islam, you would have to demonstrate that such behavior is widespread and constitutes the social norm rather than a criminal aberration. At that point, the film becomes a ludicrous fantasy, more likely to attract ridicule and mockery than death threats. In any case, you would be unlikely (imho) to hear churchmen and rabbis calling for the deaths of the producers, as we routinely do from the spiritual guardians of Islam. Finally, only such dhimmi-tools as Mike Al-Moor and Oliver Stoned would be likely to make such nonsense and they already have police protection as a consequence of their support of Islamic terrorism.
"If someone made a film featuring nude women with "anti-women texts" from the New Testament or the Torah written on their bodies I suppose that would be acceptable?"
I doubt Christians or Jews would find that "acceptable," but they'd recognize it as free speech, and there wouldn't be a torrent of death threats and fatwas. It's also worth noting, that Christians and Jews today do not hide women in dark rooms and under burqas, nor do they stone them to death for 'dishonoring' their family by being seeing in public with a man who is not their father or brother. In short, false moral equivalence.
Actually there have been very many anti-Christian and anti-(Orthodox) Jewish films made, not necessarily featuring nude women with texts written on their bodies but containing equally insulting scenes.
The difference is that Jews and Christians don't issue death threats against these filmmakers and just shrug and go about their business. Well, except for the ADL which goes into frothing hysterics whenever a pro-Christian film is made.
But it was that specific case you posited, not some general case of "equally insulting." Neither of us made any claim that films offensive to Christians and Jews do not exist.
The difference is that Jews and Christians don't issue death threats against these filmmakers and just shrug and go about their business.
Our point exactly.
Well, except for the ADL which goes into frothing hysterics whenever a pro-Christian film is made.
Far be it from me to defend ADL (whose local rep once described me as a "militaristic Zionist") but I don't recall them issuing any death threats. I also don't think there is any warrant for extending their attack on The Passion of the Christ to "pro-Christian film(s)" in general.
Finally, please send your son our thanks for his service and our prayers for his safety.
So do Democrats.
Not only that but my moslem neighbor sold his 17 year old daughter in marriage to a moslem in Los Angeles who owned a string of gas stations:
one bride traded for one gas station.
This is the moslem way.
(She is very smart and I taught her computer skills when she was 14.)
Her "husband's" family kept her under lock and key in their mansion in LA.
She finally found her chance to escape from her "husband" back to the SF bay area and hired an attorney to sue her father for lost education and kidnapping.
Once moslem girls come to USA and go thru the school system, they really know their rights here and only require Americans to support them in their stuggles for liberty from this abusive religious agenda.
P.S., now the father is in debt -he has to pay cash for the gas station now.
Muslims and gas stations are a bad combination.
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