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2004 Projected Presidential Electoral Votes as of 8/30/2004
TradeSports.com ^ | Monday, August 30, 2004 | Momaw Nadon

Posted on 08/30/2004 5:38:11 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon

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To: POA2
Reagan almost carried MN in 1984.

Dubya almost carried MN in 2000.

The Minnesota Democrat Party is self-destructing, and interest groups that have been an important part of the coalition (like the rural blue collar union membership) are been really pissed off at the urban liberal leadership this year.

(The GOP controls the House and the governor's office. The DFL barely controls the Senate. The Senate isn't up for reelection this year, so the leadership decided to dig in their heels and resist the GOP agenda.

As a result of which absolutely nothing happened in the legislature this year. That is to say we closed the session without a bonding bill.

Which means no pork to the DFL constituencies.

It's going to be close, but I'd guess that Bush has a >50% chance of carrying the state.

21 posted on 08/30/2004 9:12:36 PM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
The Minnesota Democrat Party is self-destructing, and interest groups that have been an important part of the coalition (like the rural blue collar union membership) are been really pissed off at the urban liberal leadership this year.

Glad to hear you feel GWB has a 50% shot at MN this year - Last year I was thinking the same thing - But it doesn't appear in the polls that GWB has ever had the lead in MN once this year - I find that telling -

Also the only reason 2000 was close in MN (for the most part) was because Nader pulled so well -(didn't he get 5%??) - Nader won't get more then 2% tops this year -

22 posted on 08/30/2004 9:21:24 PM PDT by POA2
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To: Malsua

Ohio always gets screwed with regards to jobs and it has nothing to do with W. It seems like when a nationwide company with one of its 9 plants in Ohio closes a plant, its the one in Ohio that closes.

That said, I think W will win Ohio, by about 2 pts.


23 posted on 08/30/2004 9:50:33 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: jdege

The Dem mayor of Saint Paul endorsed Bush, as well.


24 posted on 08/30/2004 9:53:15 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: Malsua
I used to live there. My family still does. I constantly get gripes about Bush when I talk to my family. They seem to blame him and the Republican leadership of the state about how crappy the economy is there.

Get a new family [grin].

25 posted on 08/30/2004 10:02:08 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: POA2
"Still those 2 don't make up for a loss in OH (if that was to happen)"

Again, keeping your eye on OH causes you to keep your eye only on OH. No doubt we win with OH, but that is not at all the only way.

I mentioned the reapportionment and I just did the math and yes I am correct. A loss of OH can be withstood by taking WI and IA. And I say both will be done! I am discounting the 2000 results by 4 for the loss of NH. Reapportionment gained us 7. Net gain of 3. Add that to the 17 coming from the upper Midwest and you have 20. Ohio is not the only key and probably not the easiest key to use IMHO.
26 posted on 08/30/2004 10:36:18 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: Malsua

I live here. It's close.

Jobs is one issue...but unemployment is not that high. About 6% last I checked. That means employment is at 94%. Reagan won a landslide in Ohio with about a 7.1% ue rate.

Also, Social conservatism is big in this state....there should be some consolation in that. Except for the Columbus/Cleveland corridor this is a mix of conservative Catholic and conservative Bible Belt.

Emphasize the positive, emphasize the social issues, emphasize patriotism, and organize. Those things will carry Ohio.


27 posted on 08/31/2004 12:35:00 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota

I think Bush will take NH. Most of the polling going there are by two overwhelmingly Dem friendly polls, Zogby and ARG. There aren't any recent polls not by either of these guys, so it's hard to know what's going on there, but I think NH will be much easier to win than say PA, so given Bush is polling as a toss-up in PA, it's likely he's ahead in NH.


28 posted on 08/31/2004 9:29:49 AM PDT by TomEwall
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To: Momaw Nadon
Sorry to be so late.

Date Prob. Bush Win Mean EVs Std. Dev.
01/21 96.8% 341.5 41.1
01/26 95.5% 334.8 40.6
02/02 92.2% 323.8 39.7
02/09 83.0% 307.8 40.3
02/16 78.4% 300.4 39.4
02/23 76.2% 298.2 39.6
03/01 74.5% 295.9 39.3
03/08 68.0% 289.2 39.8
03/15 68.0% 288.8 39.0
03/22 68.5% 289.3 38.8
03/29 69.4% 290.1 38.8
04/05 71.2% 292.3 39.1
04/12 70.4% 290.6 38.1
04/19 68.6% 288.1 36.7
04/26 64.9% 284.5 36.3
05/03 66.3% 285.7 36.3
05/10 65.6% 285.3 36.8
05/17 65.2% 284.8 36.6
05/24 60.0% 280.3 36.9
05/31 61.1% 281.2 36.8
06/07 60.5% 280.6 36.5
06/14 65.0% 285.0 36.6
06/21 63.9% 284.0 36.8
06/28 58.4% 278.8 36.7
07/05 58.7% 279.1 36.7
07/12 53.1% 274.2 36.5
07/19 48.2% 269.8 35.7
07/26 43.4% 265.6 35.0
08/02 42.1% 264.3 34.7
08/09 42.9% 265.2 34.5
08/16 42.6% 264.9 34.2
08/23 41.8% 264.3 34.5
08/30 56.1% 276.4 35.0

29 posted on 09/01/2004 8:47:15 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege

Thanks jdege!


30 posted on 09/01/2004 4:56:03 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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