Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The new Olympic pastime
Star-Telegram ^ | August 28, 2004 | Newy Scruggs

Posted on 08/30/2004 1:08:52 PM PDT by MikeJ75

Why are so many people up in arms about the questionable judging at the Olympics?

OK, an American won a gold medal because the "experts" judging the event didn't give the right score to a South Korean.

Are you surprised? I'm not.

It's typical. Blame the American. Make men's all-around champion Paul Hamm give back his medal.

Don't blame the judges, blame the American. That's what the International Gymnastics Federation wants to have happen.

These aren't your Jim McKay-hosted Olympics anymore. The feel-good times of the Games are gone.

From the top of the International Olympic Committee on down to the athletes and judges, it's all about commercial greed. All we need is that Leon character from the Budweiser commercials to show up and win a medal.

Bribes and gifts for IOC members are almost a requirement by countries looking to host an Olympiad.

Cheating and doping allegations of athletes seem to be more of a focus than ever.

You'd think the judging for events would have gotten better, not worse than the figure skating fiasco in Salt Lake City in 2002.

The Olympic Spirit is a joke when the IOC refuses to award two gold medals.

South Korean Yang Tae-Young was robbed of the gold because of poor judging. Hamm is being used as a scapegoat to deflect attention away from the ineptitude of those running the Games.

Hamm has done nothing wrong and should keep his gold medal.

The 1984 Summer Games in Los Angeles turned the Olympics into a money-making competition and the 1992 Summer Games in Barcelona gave pro athletes the avenue to go for the gold and endorsements.

The 2004 Games' return to Athens just showed me there isn't much integrity left either.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: hamm; olympics; sports
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last
Is the issue really whether Paul Hamm did something wrong? He did nothing wrong, but did he do the right thing? It seems to me the issues are (1) who deserved to win, and (2) whether someone who won on a technicality (failure by the South Koreans to appeal in time) is a real winner.
1 posted on 08/30/2004 1:08:52 PM PDT by MikeJ75
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

hows about letting them all abide by the decisions of the judges, which ARE final (if I get this right)?

isn't accepting the official's judgement part of the game?


2 posted on 08/30/2004 1:11:56 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

Had the South Korean been judged properly he wouldn't have even gotten the bronze.

Case closed.


3 posted on 08/30/2004 1:11:58 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

They should add "Blame the American" as a sport at the next Olympics.

How many Americans can you blame in a 60 second period? The one with the most eloquent rant wins. Factual content not required.


4 posted on 08/30/2004 1:14:31 PM PDT by coconutt2000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
Perhaps you are unaware that when the tape was reviewed, the S Korean was also found to have made an error that should have resulted in his score being docked by two-tenths of a point. If he can go to the tape to get his one-tenth added back on to his score, why can't he then receive the two-tenths mandatory reduction, thereby giving him the exact score which he did receive? I mean, fair is fair, right?

I find it appalling for you to imply that Paul Hamm is not a winner.

5 posted on 08/30/2004 1:15:00 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Charter member Broken Glass Republicans (2000))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
Make men's all-around champion Paul Hamm give back his medal.

I agree with this. After all, the Olympics set the precedent when they made the Soviets give back their fraudulent Basketball medals in '72.....right???????

</sarcasm*>

6 posted on 08/30/2004 1:15:32 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: coconutt2000

Michael Moore would be a shoo-in for the gold.


7 posted on 08/30/2004 1:16:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

It's typical. Blame the American. Make men's all-around champion Paul Hamm give back his medal.

Don't blame the judges, blame the American.

I blame the judges. They are inept. Paul Hamm should give back the Gold Medal that he did not earn.

8 posted on 08/30/2004 1:16:36 PM PDT by It's me
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
America needs to play rougher in all aspects....sports, business, immigration, crime, diplomacy. Then and only then will we be respected.

The world interprets our "sensitivity" as weakness. They know that when you rule, you MUST exercise the power you have....or it erodes.

Think about this....Are they dissing us because we look like wimps?

9 posted on 08/30/2004 1:17:10 PM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

Did he do the right thing? He won the Olympic Gold and did so fair and square. The judges made a mistake in the start value for the Korean, but they also failed to take a deduction which would have put him out of medal contention. Hamm has done nothing but the right thing. He has been a respectful and polite champion despite all of the controversy and despite the world attacking him.
If I were him I would give up the medal - NOT because he doesn't desrve it - I would give the medal back simply for the pleasure of telling everyone to Kiss my A$$


10 posted on 08/30/2004 1:17:59 PM PDT by msp2004
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

the S Korean was also found to have made an error that should have resulted in his score being docked by two-tenths of a point.

If this is true, then Hamm is the real winner.

11 posted on 08/30/2004 1:18:04 PM PDT by It's me
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

In judged competitions judging mishaps are as much a part of the game as odd bounces in the NFL. Complaining the gold should be given to the Korean because the judges messed up is like complaining the Lombardi should be given to Buffalo because "wide right" was an abnormal bounce. It's all part of the game, the winner is the winner; and Hamm is the winner as the result of routine selection, execution of his routines, and the oddball bounces of whatever it is between the judges' ears.


12 posted on 08/30/2004 1:19:59 PM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
Nonsense. The real problem here is that the Koreans DID NOT FILE THE APPEAL within the time limit. Now they want to whine. There is no way that Mr. Hamm should give back his hard earned medal because the KOREANS didn't follow the rules. (I'm pretty certain they are printed in all languages.) Stop adding to the cries against Hamm - the poor guy - taking all the joy from him. It is SHAMEFUL!
13 posted on 08/30/2004 1:23:58 PM PDT by Libertina (Abandoning Vietnam: 3.5 million died, (2.5 in Cambodia killing fields), 1.4 mil refugees)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
Dang! I thought this was going to be about the popular new media trend of taking plenty of sexy "butt pictures" at the women's beach volleyball tournament...

Oops, never mind. I guess I'll take my picture and climb back under my rock.

I'm soooo embarassed...

14 posted on 08/30/2004 1:24:44 PM PDT by Hatteras
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
Nonsense. The real problem here is that the Koreans DID NOT FILE THE APPEAL within the time limit. Now they want to whine. There is no way that Mr. Hamm should give back his hard earned medal because the KOREANS didn't follow the rules. (I'm pretty certain they are printed in all languages.) Stop adding to the cries against Hamm - the poor guy - taking all the joy from him. It is SHAMEFUL!
15 posted on 08/30/2004 1:24:58 PM PDT by Libertina (Abandoning Vietnam: 3.5 million died, (2.5 in Cambodia killing fields), 1.4 mil refugees)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

I thought the new Olympic pastime was calling the U.S. basketball team a group of thugs.


16 posted on 08/30/2004 1:27:03 PM PDT by Kleon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: discostu
I agree, judging and refereeing are part of the sport. You don't know how contestants would have reacted had the scores been different at different points in the competition. Final results should be final. Nobody asked the K.C. Royals to "give back" their pennant even though they won Game 6 by a bad call.

Now the Olympics are like our our elections. The competition is just round one, with round two going to the lawyers and journalists.

BTW, the NBC gymnastics commentator reviewed the videotape and found the judges also made a .2 error in the Korean's favor, which if corrected would have dumped him out of the medals even if the other error had been fixed.

No matter how you cut it, Hamm should keep his medal and people should get off his back.

17 posted on 08/30/2004 1:33:56 PM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75

I sensed the games might have some problems when the delegation for "Palestine", a terrorist non-country whose current leadership perpetrated the massacre of Israeli Olympians, proudly entered the stadium to the cheers of the mob.


18 posted on 08/30/2004 1:35:54 PM PDT by SupplySider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MikeJ75
South Korean Yang Tae-Young was robbed of the gold because of poor judging.

Wrong. They didn't like the final results as far as who won what medal so they devised a false objective excuse. They needed an objective excuse ( wrong scoring scheme ) rather than "We don't like those judges' opinions so give the medal back". The subjective excuse doesn't lead to people browbeating the guy into giving his legitimately won medal back.

There is a Florida election 2000 element involved in all this that I haven't yet put all together. I do remember certain supposed conservatives back then saying things like it would be a wonderful gesture that ultimately helps Republicans if we let Gore steal the presidency.

19 posted on 08/30/2004 1:36:18 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: It's me
I fail to see how Paul Hamm did not earn his gold. First of all, a sport like gymnastics which is not measured has always been judged subjectively. Judges see differently and they make mistakes. That's why there is more than one judge and their final judgments are averaged. Second, if there is not a fairly fast cut-off time after which no objections can be lodged, then logically, these competitions can be dragged on indefinitely. The three judges who were dismissed after the all-around competition were better judges, in my estimation, that the ones who stepped in for them. When those judges said that Paul won the gold, then he won the gold. Not everyone agreed with the judging, but then, that is always the case. When the judges appointed by the IOC grant a medal by their own rules, then that's it. After the form is signed saying who won the metal, then the case is closed.

Paul Hamm has proven his meddle (pun intended) by the dignity with which he has born this outrage.

20 posted on 08/30/2004 1:41:06 PM PDT by twigs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson