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GOP platform pushes amnesty
NJ.com ^ | 8/29/04 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 08/29/2004 2:55:26 PM PDT by Afronaut

If there are any deluded souls out there who still believe George W. Bush is a conservative, I invite them to examine the 2004 Republican Party platform on the issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Bush is for it. That makes him a liberal. Worse, he proclaims that the amnesty is not an amnesty. So he is not only a liberal, but a liar as well.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushamnesty; gwb2004; immigrantlist; immigrationplank; paulmulshine; rncconvention; rncplatform
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To: Guillermo

So, what you're saying is that there usn't a dime's worth of difference between Bush and Kerry...am I reading you right here?


281 posted on 08/29/2004 9:47:46 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The simple solution is usually the best, though Hacienda Jackelope is well furnished (and this is only a small part of the collection)...

One of these days you have to meet Spiff. Appearancewise he looks like Karl Rove's twin brother. Experienced journalists have been fooled. I keep trying to convince him to capitalize on it by saying totally insane things before wandering off, but he has an unfortunate trait of honesty. Otherwise, Karl would constantly be in deep kimchi.

282 posted on 08/29/2004 9:47:47 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Barlowmaker
Crow for me to eat in heapin' helpfuls.

Dang, your belly ought to be full of crow after #244. Hogjaws comes to mind.

283 posted on 08/29/2004 9:48:04 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No, I'm saying that in general, I vote for the most righty candidate who has the best shot at winning. I also qualified that statement by saying that that applies to every race, local, statewide, and national.

You asked me about 2 specific candidates, and I answered that neither were going to roll back government largesse.

284 posted on 08/29/2004 9:50:06 PM PDT by Guillermo (These are the two worst candidates for President in a very long time)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

A Rove double? LOL!


285 posted on 08/29/2004 9:50:36 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Guillermo
"Dissent within ones own party is a GOOD thing. Groupthink is a BAD thing.

You lemmings would gladly take it up the rear if the offender had an "(R)" following his name."

Lol -- amen, bro.

286 posted on 08/29/2004 9:51:46 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Luis Gonzalez
remember that John F'ing Kerry will not seal them either.

Well then i guess we can't gripe at Kerry either if he gets elected. Dang

287 posted on 08/29/2004 9:53:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Guillermo

Out of 72,000,000 supposed "Evangelical Christians" in America and eligible to vote in 2000, only 15,000,000 did...hmmm.


288 posted on 08/29/2004 9:53:32 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Guillermo

So, you would be critical of Bush's track record?

Banned Partial Birth Abortion

Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules that would have shut down every home business in America.

Killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses

Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first ten ABM silos in Alaska and California so that America has a defense against North Korean nukes

Pushed through THREE raises for our military.

Increased Defense Dept funding which had deteriorated during the previous 8 years

Stopped foreign aid that would be used to fund abortions.

Supported and upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals

Signed E.O. reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act

Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers

Ordered Attorney-General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, NOT a leftist-imagined *collective* right

Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e. the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty)

Signed the 2004 Omnibus Budget 1/26/2004 that now MANDATES that gun buyers' background check information be fully and permanently destroyed within 24 hours of the completion of the check, no matter what.

Disarmed Libya of its Chemical, Nuclear, and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed

Successfully executed 2 wars: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom

Executed a WAR ON TERROR by getting world-wide cooperation to track funds/terrorists (has cut off much of the terrorist's funding and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network)

Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia

Initiated comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE was critical.

Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the Presidency

Reorganized bureaucracy...after 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency: the Department of Homeland Security.

Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

Improving govt. efficiency with .8 million jobs put up for bid...weakening unions and cutting undeserved pay raises. Wants merit based promotions/raises only.

Orchestrated Republican control of the White House, the House AND the Senate.

Killed the liberal ABA's role in vetting federal judges for Congress.

GWB signed an executive order enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision (re: union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes)

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Signed 2 income tax cuts ---- 1 of which was the largest Dollar value tax cut in world history

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains

In process of eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people

Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations)

Reorganized the INS in an attempt to safeguard the borders and ports of America and to eliminate bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

Signed trade promotion authority

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men and women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa

Passed Medicare Reform (authorized $39.5 Billion per year for preventive medicine such as drugs and doctor visits as well as included a ten year Privatization option)

Urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims

Submitted comprehensive Energy Plan--awaits Congressional action (works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.)

Endorses and promotes The Responsibility Era ("In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else -- to one in which every single American understands that he or she are responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself. " -----this quote was too good to leave out)

Started the USA Freedom Corps

Initiated review of all federal agencies with a goal to eliminate federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of federal gov while increasing private sector jobs.

Part of coalition (Russia, Israel, EU, Palestine, USA) for Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace"

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become The League of Nations ( in other words, completely irrelevant)

Nominated strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary clean-up of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

As part of the national forests clean-up, the President restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges) and removed the need for an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

President Bush signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal Aliens
S. 1685, the Basic Pilot Extension Act of 2003, was signed by President Bush on December 3, 2003.
It extends for five years the workplace employment eligibility authorization pilot programs created in 1996. It expands the pilot programs from the original five states to all 50 states.


289 posted on 08/29/2004 9:54:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I doubt there are 72 million Evangelicals, although I guess there could be based upon how they are defined.


290 posted on 08/29/2004 9:54:36 PM PDT by Guillermo (These are the two worst candidates for President in a very long time)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I already highlighted several of Bush's policies I am vehemently opposed to.

They are all over these threads.


291 posted on 08/29/2004 9:55:38 PM PDT by Guillermo (These are the two worst candidates for President in a very long time)
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To: Howlin
One has to wonder what purpose the distortions serve.

The Democrats, especially after 9/11 and Bush's successess, identified "Illegal Immigration" as an achilles heel to divide the Conservative base and subvert his significant "national security" advantage.

You've been around here a while ... were these Illegal Immigration warriors working these programs during the Clinton reign, when the REAL ABUSES were happening? Or did they appear from nowhere sometime after the Bush presidency, and especially after Bush's popularity as a post 9-11 "protector/leader"? I think I know.

It's just anti-Bush, anti-GOP agitprop fomented by operatives who are easily exploiting the ugly nativist/xenophobic/enconomic fear, uncertainty and doubt of willing participants.

292 posted on 08/29/2004 9:55:48 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: itsahoot

He won't seal them because it's not possible to seal borders.


293 posted on 08/29/2004 9:55:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So you want a President who will violate the Posse Comitatus Act

Gee no one seemed to mind when we did at Waco, why get upset now?

294 posted on 08/29/2004 9:58:01 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Guillermo

So, you only support a candidate if you agree with 100% of their policies?

Then you need to run for office, because that's the only way you will find a candidate with whom you agree with 100% of the time.

I don't care what you disagree with, because you can't possibly disagree with so many items in that list that the left overs would not be sufficiently voluminous for them not to be considered significant victories for the right by the Bush administration.

You just want to bitch and moan about Bush.

I don't care that you do, I just wanted to make that clear.


295 posted on 08/29/2004 10:01:00 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Barlowmaker

There have always been general immigration threads, but nothing like the ones since Bush announced -- and never mentioned again -- this immigration plan.

Most of the most strident in their opposition to Bush's "amnesty plan" never voted for Bush in the first place.

If Bush went door to door and had illegals escorted across the border, they'd be furious because he didn't murder them.

They're also the ones who are still mad because Bush didn't slash and burn everything east of the Missippi River on Inauguration Day, up to and including burning the Clintons and minions at the stake on the Mall across from the White House.


296 posted on 08/29/2004 10:01:30 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Barlowmaker

Why would FR at large be interested in a local race and why would I be trying to divert campaign funds from their local races? Especially when we already have plenty of backing here?

Just FYI, we worked for months convincing Randy to run. Graf has Cochise County locked up.

Kolbe has no endorsement from Team Bush. In fact, when Cheney was down here recently he just barely acknowledged Kolbe's existence. Graf is packing them in at campaign events; Kolbe is not.

Just an aside, I do not compare favorably with any of the Earps, but I think Doc Holliday and I would have been drinking buddies.


297 posted on 08/29/2004 10:03:53 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: itsahoot
"Gee no one seemed to mind when we did at Waco, why get upset now?"

Well, that would depend on you were hanging out with when Waco happened; no one I know liked it.

But if you seem to think that Waco was OK, then I might suggest that you spend time here, they don't mind administrations who act like that.

298 posted on 08/29/2004 10:04:00 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: FesterUSMC

Kerry would do the same, so i would suggest you hedge your vote on other issues like, partial birth abortion, gay marriage, "under god" the in the pledge, and the general strength of our military

Posting HTML

.....I agree.


299 posted on 08/29/2004 10:04:35 PM PDT by Lily4Jesus
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To: Luis Gonzalez

First of all, you don't know who I'm supporting.

Second, like I said earlier, it's not that Bush isn't "100% pure," it's that he isn't even close.

I'm "bitching and moaning" about the several odious proposals and laws he has come up with and signed.

I don't like the fact, among many others, that he signed a law gutting the First Amendment and now has plans on suing groups into silence who are organizing and speaking out against him.

That is extremely odious in a supposedly free country.


300 posted on 08/29/2004 10:04:47 PM PDT by Guillermo (These are the two worst candidates for President in a very long time)
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