[MACVSOG68]

Did read the article, but you left out a very important piece related to the most significant snip you did. While I think the article was somewhat disparaging of Kerry, it was not anything the your "snips" showed, unfortunately.

The FBI records show that Kerry was present for a particularly contentious meeting in Kansas City, Mo., in November 1971, at which plans were discussed for the assassination or kidnapping of government officials or the takeover of the Statue of Liberty. The proposal was overwhelmingly voted down, and the files record that Kerry wanted VVAW "to stay strictly non-violent." According to the FBI files, he resigned from the organization in Kansas City after an angry showdown with radicals led by a firebrand named Al Hubbard.

[Timeout]

I don't get what you're saying.

The point isn't that the proposal was voted down. It's that Kerry lied for years when he said he'd resigned before the KC meeting and didn't attend it. His campaign only changed their story after the FBI reports came out.

[Zman516]

As stated in "Unfit For Command", pages 141-2: "...Close inspection of the FBI reports indicates that Kerry was present at the Kansas City meeting as a member of the VVAW executive committee. The FBI reported that Kerry told the steering committee that he planned to resign from the executive committee, but that he would continue to speak for the VVAW and that his resignation from the executive committee would not take effect until a replacement for him had been selected. The FBI file was clear that Kerry was resigning only from the executive comittee, not from the VVAW itself." Kerry has used the old Hellary trick of "not recalling" his being at the KC meeting.

[AaronInCarolina]

The proposal was overwhelmingly voted down, and the files record that Kerry wanted VVAW "to stay strictly non-violent." According to the FBI files, he resigned from the organization in Kansas City after an angry showdown with radicals led by a firebrand named Al Hubbard.

I truly don't know where this information comes from, because I read the VVAW surveillance document, a de-classified FBI document available at WinterSoldier.com. In that document, it describes the November 1971 meeting in Kansas City, and nowhere in it does it say "The proposal was overwhelmingly voted down" nor does it say anything about an "angry showdown with radicals". In fact, in both cases it says just the opposite. The document says that the proposal to create "Phoenix type" groups (political assassination groups) was "favorably received". And instead of any mention of Kerry having a showdown with radicals, it says nothing, except it goes on to describe subsequent VVAW meetings where Kerry continued to attend, including one where a huge block of marijuana was consumed by attendees. Here is a transcript of this section from the FBI document:

Page 191
November 1971 Meeting in Kansas City, Missouri (Kerry attended)
November 12 party at one of the member’s house

(transcript begins)
At the party, SCOT CAMIL, VVAW Regional Coordinator for (blacked out) and (blacked out) from Gainesville, Florida, bragged that he had a training range in either Florida or Georgia but would not divulge the location. CAMIL proposed the establishment of “readiness groups” of the “Phoenix type”. This proposal was made in the presence of (blacked out) VVAW Arkansas organizer (blacked out), all from Arkansas, (blacked out) the VVAW Regional Coordinator for Missouri and Kansas, and a delegate from Montana, and three delegates from St. Louis, names unknown. When asked if CAMIL meant “Phoenix type” in the same context as understood by military personnel, CAMIL answered in the affirmative and outlined a plan for “political elimination” of the “government chain of command”. The “Phoenix type” is a military term given to groups with specific assassination assignments and the delegates knew that CAMIL meant political assassinations rather than political eliminations. CAMIL said the activities would depend upon the men being devoted enough to carry out their assignments. CAMIL said that even talking and planning such activities was against the law and therefore the “Phoenix type” groups should carry out their assignments. CAMIL said he had training ranges for rifle, pistol and mortar practice. He claimed he had rifles, pistols and rifle grenades, but no mortars. CAMIL’s proposal for the “readiness squads” and the training was favorably received by many of the persons present and was thereafter quietly disseminated to those at the party. CAMIL indicated he was already conducting his own training program.
(transcript ends)