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Retired rear admiral contends Kerry wound not from enemy fire
Boston Globe ^ | 8-28-04 | Michael Kranish

Posted on 08/28/2004 1:10:44 AM PDT by ambrose

Retired rear admiral contends Kerry wound not from enemy fire

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | August 28, 2004

WASHINGTON -- William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral, yesterday said he was on the same small boat as Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry during a 1968 river mission in Vietnam but did not witness any enemy fire during the event for which Kerry received his first Purple Heart.

In response, Kerry and two other men who said they were on the mission stood by their statements that Schachte was not on the boat with them and thus was not in a position to judge the matter. The campaign said Schachte's statement was political, noting that Schachte has previously endorsed President Bush and given money to his campaigns.

Schachte, in a statement sent to the Globe yesterday, said he believed Kerry's wound was not the result of hostile action, and he said he told his commanding officer at the time, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard, that Kerry did not deserve the Purple Heart ''because there was no hostile fire."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; kerrylies; kranish; purpleheart; schachte; selfinflicted
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1 posted on 08/28/2004 1:10:44 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Michael Kranish helped write the latest Book released by Kerry and Edwards. His wife works for the Kerry Campaign


2 posted on 08/28/2004 1:12:26 AM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says he Would Conduct a More Thoughtful and Sensitive War on Terror)
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To: ambrose

I heard he was bitten by a pit bull.


3 posted on 08/28/2004 1:12:54 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Lieutenant Ricebottom reporting for duty.")
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To: ambrose
In response, Kerry and two other men who said they were on the mission stood by their statements that Schachte was not on the boat with them and thus was not in a position to judge the matter. The campaign said Schachte's statement was political, noting that Schachte has previously endorsed President Bush and given money to his campaigns,

Wouldn't there be a log of some sort of who was on this boat and who was in charge of this boat???

4 posted on 08/28/2004 1:15:29 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: MJY1288
Which makes this paragraph all the more interesting, considering the source:

Earlier this year, during the preparation of the Globe's biography, the Kerry campaign was asked repeatedly whether Kerry believes he was hit by enemy fire or whether there was any hostile fire. The Kerry campaign refused to respond. Instead, it provided a medical report showing that shrapnel had been removed from Kerry's arm and a document showing he was awarded the Purple Heart.

5 posted on 08/28/2004 1:15:36 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: ambrose
The campaign said Schachte's statement was political, noting that Schachte has previously endorsed President Bush and given money to his campaigns.

So, does that mean that the 'band of brothers' support sKerry's statements, but they are voting for GWB? That is the only way the band's statements can be apolitical.

6 posted on 08/28/2004 1:19:32 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: MJY1288
Michael Kranish helped write the latest Book released by Kerry and Edwards. His wife works for the Kerry Campaign

FOWL

Now, if only people would think I was calling out that a building was on fire rather than that chicken had gotten loose.. I'd appear halfway sane.

7 posted on 08/28/2004 1:20:51 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Mo1

There was an earlier post where Schachte said that there was no after action report on this because there was no hostile fire.


8 posted on 08/28/2004 1:21:54 AM PDT by mewper
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To: ambrose

If Kerry gets elected....this is the news report we can look forward to...

"Today in Kansas City, Storm Troopers took over tv stations in the name of President Kerry. Teachers and local politician were marched into a nearby field and shot.

When asked about the action...the Kerry administration replied..."We never did that...the people who said we did were liers".

And Jim, in a little local news...I will now be taking over as White House reporter for Elaine Dimwit who was shot today after claiming to have film of the Kansas City slaughter"


9 posted on 08/28/2004 1:22:13 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

Kerry is winning by these attacks. There is a principle in politics called immunity. With a candidate being able to withstand a withering attack, he develops a shield against other attacks. It is no accident that Bush and McCain want these attacks to end, they are glorifying Kerry if they continue. The public is a strange animal.


10 posted on 08/28/2004 2:55:29 AM PDT by meenie
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To: ambrose
Retired rear admiral contends Kerry wound not from enemy fire

Based upon where Kerry's "wound" was, a Rear Admiral should have the final voice in the argument.

11 posted on 08/28/2004 3:00:11 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: mewper
There was an earlier post where Schachte said that there was no after action report on this because there was no hostile fire.

This time the "documentation" backs up the Swift Vets. No hostile fire = no After Action Report. There are no After Actions Reports, hence there was no hostile fire, and Kerry fradulently got the 1st Purple Heart.
12 posted on 08/28/2004 3:34:10 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: ambrose

Will Kranish turn on Kerry? He already was intimidated to retract the "met with foreign leaders" comment earlier this year.


13 posted on 08/28/2004 10:11:37 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: mewper
There was an earlier post where Schachte said that there was no after action report on this because there was no hostile fire.

I wasn't thinking of an after action report

More like a radio log of sorts or documention of who was the skipper of this boat

I'm guessing one couldn't just take a boat out into the river with no one knowing about it

14 posted on 08/28/2004 10:13:13 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: ambrose
Retired rear admiral contends Kerry wound not from enemy fire.....the Dec. 2, 1968, incident ....

This one is very easy.

Look, folks, why take the word of a retired Admiral?

Let's just read the entry for December 11, 1968, written in John F. Kerry's own journal nine days afterwards:

"A cocky feeling of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at are allowed to be cocky."

15 posted on 08/28/2004 10:21:02 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: ambrose

Is it normal to refer to an admiral as a "rear admiral" or this a subtle slam?


16 posted on 08/28/2004 10:22:57 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: ambrose
Nonetheless, Schachte said that at one point during the mission he opened fire at the shoreline when he spotted ''movement" and that Kerry followed suit. But Schachte said there was no return fire.

''I fired a hand-held flare, and upon it bursting and illuminating the surrounding area, I thought I saw movement," Schachte said in his statement. ''I immediately opened fire with my M-60. It jammed after a brief burst. Lieutenant [junior grade] Kerry also opened fire with his M-16 on automatic, firing in the direction of my tracers. His weapon also jammed.

''As I was trying to clear my weapon, I heard the distinctive sound of the M-79 being fired and turned to see Lieutenant (jg) Kerry holding the M-79 from which he had just launched a round. We received no return fire of any kind nor were there any muzzle flashes from the beach."

That, my friends, is devastating. If Schachte or Kerry (depending on which one was OIC) didn't file an AAR, then there was probably no 'contact', just a few rounds shot into the beach. I'm all for 'better safe than sorry' suppressive fire, but it ain't combat.

The simplest explination is probably the case. Schachte was in charge, didn't file an AAR because there was no motive for him to do so. If Kerry was the OIC, certainly there would have been an AAR to give cover for his Purple Heart.

The Kerry camp hasn't released one because no such document exists. This should be a big story. The lack of documentation is documentation in and of itself, since it would prove Kerry left Vietnam early under false pretenses.

17 posted on 08/28/2004 10:24:42 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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To: Steel Wolf

The simplest explination is probably the case. Schachte was in charge, didn't file an AAR because there was no motive for him to do so. If Kerry was the OIC, certainly there would have been an AAR to give cover for his Purple Heart.

YOu hit it right on the nose, someone needs to bring this up with the MSM...


18 posted on 08/28/2004 10:31:58 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: ambrose

bump TO SUPPORT THE NEW SWIFT VETS AD AND GEORGE BUSH... http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg


19 posted on 08/28/2004 10:32:15 AM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: rolling_stone
YOu hit it right on the nose, someone needs to bring this up with the MSM...

The fact that we can figure this out on our off time, without any journalistic background, or any resources other than an internet connection, demonstrates that the MSM is guilty of staggering incompetence, overt bias, or both.

It's like letting random people off the street wander around the hospital, and discovering that they were better surgeons than the doctors.

This is the real scandal of 2004. The Unmaking of the Fourth Estate.

20 posted on 08/28/2004 10:39:07 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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