Kerry on Boorda

NRO's Kerry Spot Blog ^ | 08/27/04 | Kate O’Beirne (via Jim Gerahty)

[Pilsner]

This guy is as delusional as Clinton, but without the charm.

Actually I don't think Clinton believed much of his own BS. Oh maybe when he was spouting it, but by the time he got back to his car he knew what was what. Kerry seems to really buy into his own BS, which is worse for a President.

That being said, we need to lay off this story unless and until there is some solid evidence that Kerry falsified something, or persuaded someone else in the Navy to do. If this turns out to be a typo made by some E-3 with his head up his a@@, the media will spin this story so as to discredit all claims (even those demonstrably true) that Kerry falsified or exaggerated his record.

[Southack]

"I believe he wrote it himself and forged the signature of the originator --an officer who is likely one of the Swift Vets group. If this is true that means Kerry..."

Don't go there. We have no need to *guess* at things against Senator Kerry that may or may not be true.

If something that devastating turns out to be true, and gets outed before the state Presidential ballots are all printed after the Republican Convention, then the Dems will simply switch candidates.

If it isn't true, then everyone bantering about that charge gets smeared as a muckraker.

We stand to take damage from *either* possible outcome.

So don't go there.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

[Mo1]

To boast on his record Kerry has released the NAVMC 1650 for the Bronze Star--why not the more prestigious Silver Star? Kerry will not release this form--if he does his presidential campaign will be over.

OK .. That got my attention

[A Navy Vet]

I have Googled all over the web, and there is NO mention of the Silver Star ever being awarded with a "V" device for valor. Every site explains that the Silver Star is awarded exactly for valor, and therefore the device is not neccessary.

Push Here for an official Navy Military Decorations page.

Can someone post the photo of his Congressional testimony in 1971 where he is wearing his ribbons with fatigues. Maybe we can see if he has a "V" device attached to the SS.

[cyncooper]

“The military is a rigorous culture that places a high premium on battlefield accomplishment,” said Sen. John F. Kerry, who received numerous decorations, including a Bronze Star with a "V" pin, as a Navy lieutenant in Vietnam.

“In a sense, there's nothing that says more about your career than when you fought, where you fought and how you fought,” Kerry said.

“If you wind up being less than what you’re pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value and self-esteem and your sense of how others view you.”

Don't miss this.

Lord Kerry felt moved to speak out on the Boorda issue and it will make you sick.

No, no. Don't even THINK about holding him to the standard he sets for others.

[Godebert]

Any veteran with a sense of duty, honor and country could not possibly support Kerry.

[cyncooper]

This is devastating, assuming that some of the Kerry medals are bogus.

The Kerry Kamp itself has already basically admitted the first purple heart was actually an accidentally self-inflicted wound (which by definition does not qualify for that medal).

[Hildy]

Oh My Gosh....

[ChadGore]

First of all, great find! Thanks for posting.

It would appear that the words of the putz being in quotes “The military is a rigorous culture that places a high premium on battlefield accomplishment,”

are seperate from the words of the author that are not in quotes.

said Sen. John F. Kerry, who received numerous decorations, including a Bronze Star with a "V" pin, as a Navy lieutenant in Vietnam.

[cyncooper]

Thanks----We don't get the first hour of Hugh's show here, but after this news break I'll get the next two hours. Have it on and hope he continues on this topic.

I am horrified and sickened.

[Bob]

Since the Silver Star is his highest precedence award, it would be the one on the left side of the top row (assuming that he had them properly arranged).

The only pictures that I've seen are in black-and-white and don't have sufficient detail to make out the details of the ribbons. Since the Silver Star ribbon has a wide dark red stripe down the center of it, it may be difficult to determine whether or not a "V" device is there, particularly in a black-and-white picture.

[A Navy Vet]

I'm trying to find high resolution photos of Kerry while wearing his ribbons. If there is no "V" device on the SS, it may be possible that an administrative error occurred on his DD214&215. Those docs are usually typed up by lower enlisted personell types. Even if that were the case, what's with a Silver Star for shooting one retreating injured enemy?

[cyncooper]

I don't think these quotes just pertain, as some of the posts seem to imply, to just the "V" business. Kerry, with these statements:

“In a sense, there's nothing that says more about your career than when you fought, where you fought and how you fought,” Kerry said.

“If you wind up being less than what you’re pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value and self-esteem and your sense of how others view you.”

Has laid out the rationale on why any decent reporter (if there are any left) would be seriously investigating Kerry's own record that he so proudly brandishes about and waves under our noses.

[b4its2late]

Get Craig Livingstone's (whoever hired him?) comments too! LOL!

[Viet-Boat-Rider]

This is from the Boston Herald Archives:

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Area veterans baffled, saddened

DAVID TALBOT. Boston Herald. Boston, Mass.: May 18, 1996. pg. 002

Section: NEWS

ISSN/ISBN: 07385854

Text Word Count 377

Abstract (Article Summary)

Veterans said yesterday that although they would take offense at someone falsely wearing a "V" combat pin, they couldn't see how this could drive Navy Adm. Jeremy Michael Boorda to suicide.

"Is it wrong? Yes, it is very wrong. Sufficient to question his leadership position? The answer is yes, which he clearly understood," said Sen. John Kerry, a Navy combat veteran who served in Vietnam.

Citing uncertainty ...

[turbojesse]

"I'm trying to find high resolution photos of Kerry while wearing his ribbons. If there is no "V" device on the SS, it may be possible that an administrative error occurred on his DD214&215."

I found a picture of his testimony before Congress here

http://www.8bitjoystick.com/groundzero/archives/photos/JohnKerryInfrontofCongress1971.jpg

He does not appear to be wearing a v device on his SS but it does show on his BS. I think it's just a clerical error. We have plenty of other lies to gig him on.

[goldstategop]

Of course, the rules don't apply to liberals like Kerry. They get an exemption from them. "How dare you question my...."

[NYC GOP Chick]

Citing uncertainty of whether Boorda deliberately wore the pins improperly, Kerry added: “If he made a mistake, in my judgment it wasn't worth his life, so I'm very sad about it.”

Wow. He's just profound and...*nuanced*!

[rolling_stone]

the washington post apparently was able to get the 1650 for thurlow's bronze star..


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_awardrecommendation.pdf

[Bob]

I found a good picture of Kerry's ribbons in "Unfit for Command". It was taken on Meet the Press and is dated April 18, 1971.

He has the combat V on his Bronze Star but definitely doesn't have one on his Silver Star. He also has only his two legitimate campaign stars on his Vietnam Service Medal.

I wonder if anyone has a good detailed picture of the medals that he has displayed in his Senate office?