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Flying Cars Reportedly Still Decades Away
Yahoo! News/AP ^ | 08/27/2004 | Allison Linn

Posted on 08/27/2004 11:23:44 AM PDT by B Knotts

SEATTLE - It's a frustrated commuter's escapist fantasy: literally lifting your car out of a clogged highway and soaring through the skies, landing just in time to motor into your driveway.

Researchers stress that the ultimate dream - an affordable, easy-to-use vehicle that could allow regular people to fly 200 miles to a meeting and also drive 15 miles to the mall - is still probably decades away.

But engineers at NASA (news - web sites), Boeing Co. and elsewhere say the basis for a flying car is there. People have been building, or trying to build, such vehicles for decades.

The problem is, those ideas have generally required both a lot of money and the skills of a trained pilot. And melding cars and planes hasn't always been very successful.

"When you try to combine them you get the worst of both worlds: a very heavy, slow, expensive vehicle that's hard to use," said Mark Moore, who heads the personal air vehicle division of the vehicle systems program at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va.

The goal isn't just to create a neat gizmo: These vehicles will become more appealing - and necessary - as highways and airport hubs grow more clogged, and commutes more distant.

At NASA, the first goal is to transform small airplane travel. Right now, really small airplanes are generally costly, uncomfortable and loud and require months of training and lots of money to operate; that makes flying to work impractical for most people.

Within five years, NASA researchers hope to develop technology for a small airplane that can fly out of regional airports, costs less than $100,000, is as quiet as a motorcycle and as simple to operate as a car. Although it wouldn't have any road-driving capabilities, it would give regular people the ability to fly short distances.

To make flying simpler, NASA is working on technologies that would automate more pilot's functions.

In 10 years, NASA hopes to have created technology for going door-to-door. These still wouldn't be full-fledged flying cars - instead, they'd be small planes that can drive very short distances on side streets, after landing at a nearby airport.

In 15 years, they hope to have the technology for larger vehicles, seating as many as four passengers, and the ability to make vertical takeoffs.

It will probably take years after these technologies are developed before such vehicles are actually on the market. And Moore says it will take about 25 years to get to anything "remotely 'Jetsons'-like,'" a reference to the futuristic cartoon that fed many flying car fantasies.

Researchers at Boeing in Seattle are already thinking that far ahead: They've created a miniature model of a sporty red helicopter/car hybrid that is helping the aerospace giant understand what it would take to make flying cars a reality.

Lynne Wenberg, senior manager on the project, said the goal is to make a flying car that costs the same as a luxury vehicle, is quiet and fuel-efficient and easy to fly and maintain.

Boeing is especially interested in the broader problem of figuring out how to police the airways - and prevent total pandemonium - if thousands of flying cars enter the skies. No one wants to be cut off, tailgated or buzzed a little too closely by a student driver at 1,000 feet.

"The neat, gee-whiz part (is) thinking about what would the vehicle itself look like, but we're trying to think through all the ramifications of what would it take to deploy a fleet of these," said Dick Paul, a vice president with Phantom Works, Boeing's research arm.

Smaller companies are working on flying car technology as well. Davis, Calif.-based Moller International has already built a prototype of its Skycar. The streamlined vehicle - think sports car meets the hovercraft Luke Skywalker drove in "Star Wars" - is designed to make vertical takeoffs, fly around 700 miles and drive short distances.

Jack Allison, who retired as a vice president at Moller but still works there regularly, said Skycars are expected to start at around $1 million and require pilot's training. It's not yet clear when they'll be available, but Allison says demand is already there: More than 100 people have put down a $5,000 deposit.

While researchers are already working on some level of automation to make flying small planes easier, the ultimate goal would be to have a vehicle that is considerably smarter than what's available today.

Ken Goodrich, a senior research engineer at NASA, said one concept under discussion is technology that runs in "h" mode, which stands for "horse." The idea is that a horse, unlike a car, is more likely to try to avoid other objects and may even know how to find its way home.

But Goodrich said he's not sure that the fantasy of the flying car ever would or should become a reality. He questioned whether having flying/driving vehicles throughout the country might end up being too noisy, disruptive and impractical.

"You'd have to look at all aspects of it, how it would integrate in greater society and affect our quality of life," he said.


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KEYWORDS: boeing; cars; flight; flying; flyingcars; nasa
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To: B Knotts
Just some good ole' boys

41 posted on 08/27/2004 11:39:38 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: RightWhale; B Knotts

Ain't ever going to happen. THe government is already using technology to track us all (if they so choose) using cameras and through the use of toll-paying devices.

If you could just fly away somewhere, that control is gone and the one-worlders aren't going to let that happen.

Where the hell is my tin-foil hat anyway?


42 posted on 08/27/2004 11:40:06 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: B Knotts

Honestly, I think a helicopter would be rather more cost effective and safe.

Qwinn


43 posted on 08/27/2004 11:40:45 AM PDT by Qwinn2
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To: martin_fierro
Driving in TWO dimensions is tough enough for a lot of people.

And there will be plenty of opportunity for tickets to be issued...

44 posted on 08/27/2004 11:41:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Kerry Lied. Soldiers Died.)
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To: RightWhale

Nah. It would be survival of the fittest at its best. Anyone who can avoid oncoming flying soccer moms who are putting on their makeup and talking on the cell phone at the same time deserves to live.


45 posted on 08/27/2004 11:41:57 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: subterfuge

It could be done, but the control system would cost more than social security and a power grid outage would kill everybody.


46 posted on 08/27/2004 11:42:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: martin_fierro; Tijeras_Slim; Rebelbase
CD is my mild-mannered alter-ego.

No, I'm medium-mannered at the very least.

47 posted on 08/27/2004 11:42:59 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Now with 23% more sarcasm than last year's Freeper!)
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To: eno_
The sky is big. Airplanes don't collide except near airports, and automating approaches and takeoffs is a reasonably do-able problem.

You're forgetting the poor victims on the ground.
Want to bet lunch? Check back in 100 years.

Meantime, your trust in technology reminds me of an old joke:

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first totally automated coast to coast flight. We have every conceivable safety feature, and quadruple redundant systems, so nothing can go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... "

48 posted on 08/27/2004 11:43:34 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: Gorzaloon
Oh, yeah.

And imagine the expense of having to bury all the power lines and saw off all overhanging tree limbs in every subdivision so that George Jetson could have a long enough takeoff roll without snagging in the wires . . . and ground control (let alone air traffic control) . . . and weight and balance wrecks . . . and stall/spins . . .

Nah.

49 posted on 08/27/2004 11:43:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Constitution Day
No, I'm medium-mannered at the very least.

Same here, but barely housebroken.

50 posted on 08/27/2004 11:44:24 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (I saw the President yesterday!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Corbin Dallas, you're a winner!


51 posted on 08/27/2004 11:46:45 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: ken5050

On second thought, where is my robot maid?


52 posted on 08/27/2004 11:48:13 AM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: B Knotts
We should already have flying cars...but it's the FAA that will stand in the way.

I like this guys approach:


53 posted on 08/27/2004 11:53:11 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: COBOL2Java

Sci-fi movies with the lived-in look are best. That one was about a taxi driver wasn't it? Kind of a Flash Gordon ambience.


54 posted on 08/27/2004 11:56:02 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: B Knotts

"Ruh, ro!"


55 posted on 08/27/2004 11:56:23 AM PDT by harrycarey
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
That's funny...my mom and dad always talked about their parents finding a flying machine in the basement of a home they bought.

That's where I got my idea.

56 posted on 08/27/2004 12:00:13 PM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: B Knotts

I collect old Popular Science/Mechanics mags, and could make a pretty thick book out of flying car ideas they've featured over the past 60 years that were "just around the corner."


57 posted on 08/27/2004 12:01:06 PM PDT by Kerfuffle
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To: B Knotts

For cripes sake! It's 2004! I want my robot butler and flying car.


58 posted on 08/27/2004 12:01:21 PM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: B Knotts

Laddie, Transporter Technology -- That's the ticket!

59 posted on 08/27/2004 12:01:25 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: Arkinsaw; B Knotts

You forgot about this one.
60 posted on 08/27/2004 12:02:12 PM PDT by Bacon Man (Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.)
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