Posted on 08/26/2004 7:53:13 PM PDT by RebelBanker
The greatest battle ever fought on the North American continent and the historical aftermath of this titanic contest have been lost forever in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. On the same grounds where Robert E. Lee, John Buford and John Reynolds fought for principles they held dear to them, Gettysburg College has decided that political correctness is more important than it’s historical identity.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans hereby alert all of our members and friends to attend the rally to be held on September 2 and September 3 at Gettysburg College to protest the College sponsored art exhibit featuring the hateful anti-Southern artwork of John Sims.
It has become apparent that neither Gettysburg College nor Gettysburg appreciates the value of Southern tourism. The valor exhibited by Confederate soldiers in this decisive battle is no longer important to officials of Gettysburg or Gettysburg College. The Confederate Battle flag is an honored flag flown on the battlefield by our Confederate soldiers. By promoting what the college calls “art” in which any intelligent person can see is nothing but thinly disguised hatred, the Sons of Confederate Veterans have decided that an economic boycott of the Gettysburg area will commence on September 3. And millions of American citizens with a love of the South and their Confederate heritage have been deeply offended.
Commander-in-Chief Denne Sweeney hereby calls on all members, families, and friends to avoid Gettysburg and not to spend any money in the Gettysburg area. All people concerned with the anti-Southern bigotry of this area should alert friends, media, and anyone concerned with the growing problem in Gettysburg so that this boycott will become nationwide and not just regional.
After September 3, Gettysburg is to be avoided whenever vacation plans are being made. Please pass this on to all media, lists and Internet services for widespread distribution.
Brag Bowling
National Press Officer
Sons of Confederate Veterans
804.359.0382
>>Personally, I'd like to thank Gen. Sherman and the Union Army for burning my city to the ground. Nothing left.<<
What? The ruins of Atlanta haven't been meticulously preserved? They've allowed construction on those hallowed grounds? Next you're going to tell me that they allow Coca-cola in Atlanta.
LOL, its the Civil freaking War we are talking about...
No kidding. I believe there was capitalism in Gettysburg in (and before) 1863 as well. The point I and others are attempting to make is that there are in fact fast food restaurants on the battlefield.
"And yet y'all got so upset at Nat Turner and Denmark Vessey."
I'm not that old.
>>OK, you need to stop making crap up. There is no McDonalds on the Gettysburg battlefield. The nearest one is across US 15.<<
>>The point I and others are attempting to make is that there are in fact fast food restaurants on the battlefield<<
US 15, if I recall correctly, is Steinwehr Ave. (That's my recollection of where the McDonalds is.) That is not on the preserved battlefield. If you want to contend that what you're defining as the "battlefield" includes the area that is now commercialized Gettysburg, your definition is quite reasonable; I probably agree with it. But it smashes to smithereens the larger purpose of the argument.
Some Southerners have a real inferiority complex. They're really quite obsessed with the Civil War and they think everyone else in the country has this stereotype that people south of the Mason-Dixon line are mouth-breathing imbeciles.
Uh, is that a bad thing? Monuments to the guys who died there?
I think the monuments are great. In general, they mark the exact positions of various units at various times, and really help you visualize the battlefield. I thoroughly enjoyed hopping out of the car and reading the line of monuments for the Iron Brigade overlooking Willoughby Run, the monument marking the point where Lee welcomed back the casualties from Pickett's Charge, the end line marker for the 20th Maine.... I find it odd that you think having a marker for a regiment that bled and died during those three days somehow "pollutes" the battlefield.
Commercial interests and urban sprawl are pushing on the park borders.
"On the borders?" Different than in the actual park, and the only place I really saw much of that was at the far northern end of the battlefield around the town. Not perfect, but not horrible either.
Walt? Is that you?
A border state that sent her sons to Shiloh in Union blue and Confederate gray, Kentucky suffered heavy casualties on both sides of the battle. Their monument is a detailed map of the conflict that highlights the Kentucky regiments movements with bronze plaques on either side that describes these units' actions and lists the state's casualties (approx. 1000 each for the Union and Confederacy, even though there were 6500 fighting for the North and only 2200 fighting for the South).
Never said polluted, just overrun // read my words.
Ah, once again, watie conflates hyperbole with statistic.
Reliable statistics show somewhere between 100 and 120 killed in the New York draft riots. The vast majority of those were members of the mob shot by police and soldiers. The numbers of blacks murdered is somewhere about a dozen.
The absolute outer limit of estimated dead is about 1000, but most sources discount that as Radical Republican hyperbole. You do realize, of course, that the New York Tribune you cite was the newspaper of Horace Greeley, don't you? Are you sure you want to cite him as a reliable source? Can I then use him as a reliable source for other things?
That's the consensus from numerous sources. If you've got something else that involves actual numbers, put it up, but I know you won't. Instead you'll just continue to spout the usual bizarrely capitalized tirades about DAMNYANKEES and SOUTHERN FREEDOM.
And for the record, the number of blacks lynched between 1882 and 1968 is reliably put at 3446. If you want, I can post lots of pictures.
Exactly my point about G'burg monuments. NY and PA placed so many memorials up there. Would like to see that KY monument at Shiloh.
I think both sides payed a horrible price at Gettysburg. No matter which side won, it should be preserved as one of the high points in this nations battle to define itself.
Back to the original question. Of 3446 lynchings you stated, how many are directly related to SCVs?
Agreed. It's hallowed ground - no commercialization, no developments, just the land, the memory of our ancestors, and our prayers.
My ancestors fought for the Union, but I say this Confederate-bashing is a bunch of bull.
That's a hard one to nail down, since "sons of confederate veterans" is a slippery definition. Are we talking about actual physical sons of enlisted soldiers and officers of the confederate army? Would they have to be leaders of the lynch mob or just members? In any case, no such statistics exist, given the nature of lynch mobs and the failure, if not outright complicity, of southern courts and law enforcement agencies to ever investigate, try and punish those mobs.
But just to put to rest that argument about "the northern states lynched blacks, too!" I'll simply concede that, tragically, you are correct. However, I'll point out that of the 3446 blacks lynched, a total of 352 were lynched in states the comprised the Union during the Civil War. And of that number, over 200 were in the border slave states of Missouri and Kentucky. Coincidentally, Texas alone also had 352 black lynchings, tying the entire North. They were beat by Mississippi, with 539, and Georgia with 492. So I guess you southern boys beat the yankees in that competition.
Well well, looks like we have some rebel bashing going on here.Look guys, your right, people in the south all have 6 fingers and 4 toes, etc. Why on earth would my northern brethren be moving here in droves is beyond me. Then again, when you have a 6th grade education and slop hogs all day, hey, what do I know? Keep dreaming. The south has risen again. If you wondered what happened to the capital in those old northern cities, both human and money, look south.Looks like to me, from my travels up north, Gen. Sherman was on the wrong team. Well, its feeding time. Hogs eat a lot in a 6 month summer. Better get them coats out up there. Oh, and don't forget the long underwear.
I got your Philly Cheesesteak right here...
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