Social Security Benefits sought for Illegal Aliens

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher ^ | 8/26/04 | Self

[Pa' fuera]

Let the Mexicans revolt. It would be cheaper for proper border control than giving them the retirement accounts. They have every right to be angry at their govt why should be pay one red cent to protect their politicians?

I honestly think the Mexicans are too jaded to revolt, they've been tolerating this crap for so long. Now that the US safety valve is securely in place, there's even less of a chance.

[doc]

You leave the party like I am. It doesn't matter when it comes to the most important issue this country is facing, illegal immigration, both parties fail. Vote constitutional party and send a message. The republicans left me, I did not leave them.

[Pa' fuera]

If workers are needed in the fields to pick crops, have prisoners do it.

the perfect solution would be to have the illegal alien prisoners pick the crops until they complete their sentence and are deported. By then there will be new illegal alien prisoners who can take their place.

[jpsb]

"And this is happening in a Republican control Fed Gov"

And what makes you think there is a real, substanial diference on a host of issues, between the GOP and the Democrats?

[EagleMamaMT]

Want to get your blood boiling? Check out this article just posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200926/posts

In short, Greenspan is telling us Baby Boomers we'll have to settle for less Social Security benefits. And at the same time they're talking about throwing Social Security open to illegals. Excuse me while I go throw up!

[AuntB]

If I had a choice, I would have certainly taken a personal retirement account. There is such resistance against it, but it would be nice to see it happen.

[AuntB]

The retirement age has also been raised. Mine will be 67. Future beneficeries will be even older.

[EagleMamaMT]

I believe mine is, too. I was born in 1959. My husband was born in 1953. I don't know if his has been yet or not. Oh well, there's no reason to worry about "retirement age", IMO, as SS will long have been bankrupted by the invasion from the south.

[Mudboy Slim]

"...a personal retirement account. There is such resistance against it..."

Is there really, though?! It's an optional thing, and those who've been paying into the system all these years can just keep with Social Security as presently configgered. We've made this promise to our seniors and no one is proposing we abandon our obligations to them...however, we could still offer a better deal to folks in their 40's, 30's, and 20's. Eventually, I'd like to see us allowing folks to achieve some "minimum nest egg" amount, and get outta the FICA payments altogether.

FReegards...MUD

[AuntB]

I agree with you entirely. The resistance I spoke of was mostly out of the demoncrats...you'd think we were proposing the plague.

[AuntB]

I was just checking over the State Dept. website:
http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/hyper/2004/0107/epf303.htm
This is an interesting briefing that was given when Pres. Bush made the fatal mistake of proposing an amnesty...call it what you will. Here's a snip:

Senior Administration official: Next, it would provide incentives for return to the home country, such as totalization agreements, as we have with several foreign countries around the world, and would create -- call for the creation of savings accounts that could be used for the benefit of the participant for either retirement or for a nest egg to buy land or capitalize a business, or whatever.

Finally, it will protect the rights of illegal workers who now live in the shadows and are fearful of coming out of the shadows, for fear of deportation. They will now enjoy the same protections that American workers have with respect to wages and employment rights and the like.

So that's it, in a nutshell -- principles, calling for a new temporary worker program. It also will call for, in the name of some of the detail, a reasonable increase in the number of green cards. As I hope many of you know that green card holders can then, after five years, elect to become citizens. And we have limitations as to the number of green cards that are available annually. And it would increase some capacity in that regard.

[Pa' fuera]

If we can't afford George Bush, we sure can't afford Kerry. They are a wash on immigration..

the difference is, if Kerry wins and the Republicans keep Congress, the Congress will get tough on immigration and stifle any amnesty Kerry proposes. A Republican Congress, on the other hand, will go along with President Bush's amnesty.

[Pa' fuera]

Yeh, they even put his announced Amnesty for Illegal Aliens right in the platform, almost word for word under the cynical title of “immigration reform” of course. “Reform” meaning rewarding and encouraging more illegal immigration.

do you have a source on this? If this is true, Bush can't make it any clearer that he is simply going to ignore those of us who want illegal immigration to stop and is going to assume that we will vote for him anyway.

[Pa' fuera]

If you meet the minimum eligibility requirements based on combined credits from both countries, you will receive a partial U.S. benefit that is proportional to the number of credits you earned in the United States

there would be nothing keeping an illegal from doctoring his work history in Mexico to qualify for a partial benefit in the US, even if he was unemployed for long stretches of time in Mexico. That partial benefit might be greater than what the full benefit would be in Mexico, given the paltry wages down there.

[Pa' fuera]

Now it says something like, if you loose your legal status and are caught illegaly working, your benefits will stop. I can't remember exactly what the new law says and am too tired to look it up tonight.

That's really an empty threat when you consider the amount of interior enforcement and investigation of illegals in the workplace that the government does.

[Chani]

bttt

[1_Inch_Group]

Didn't mean a lighter literally.

:)

Just one to help start the firestorm. We all know that destruction of personal and business property, while demonstrating...Is the domain of the Demoncrats.

[djreece]

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