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Sen. Max Cleland Wednesday rebuffed an effort by a pro-Bush veteran to give him a letter
The Washington Times ^ | August 25, 2004

Posted on 08/25/2004 8:40:59 PM PDT by mountn man

Pro-Bush vet rebuffed on letter to Kerry

Crawford, TX, Aug. 25 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Sen. Max Cleland Wednesday rebuffed an effort by a pro-Bush veteran to give him a letter critical of presidential hopeful John Kerry.

In a highly publicized photo-op, Cleland traveled to President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, to deliver a letter from nine senators calling on the president to repudiate the activities of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which has been running ads questioning Kerry's Vietnam War record.

Cleland was met at the ranch by Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a Republican elected official and Vietnam veteran, who tried to give the former senator a letter addressed to Kerry, accusing him of using his military service for political gain.

"You can't have it both ways," said the letter, signed by Patterson and six other veterans including two Medal of Honor recipients and a former North Vietnamese prisoner of war. "You can't build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it."

Cleland was not able to deliver his letter nor would he accept the letter Patterson tried to give him.

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This is my first post. Thought it was kind of funny Max Cleland doing this. Check out this article from Queen Ann. Back from February 11. Oh yeah, sorry no picture of the Queen. I isn't that smart yet. Can someone help me out? Oh yeah, one more thing. ALL HAIL QUEEN ANN.

http://anncoulter.com/columns/2004/021104p.htm Cleland Drops A Political Grenade February 11, 2004

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War

FORMER Sen. Max Cleland is the Democrats' designated hysteric about George Bush's National Guard service. A triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, Cleland is making the rounds on talk TV, basking in the affection of liberals who have suddenly become jock-sniffers for war veterans, and working himself into a lather about President Bush's military service. Citing such renowned military experts as Molly Ivins, Cleland indignantly demands further investigation into Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard.

Bush's National Guard service is the most thoroughly investigated event since the Kennedy assassination. But the Democrats will accept only two possible conclusions to their baseless accusations: (1) Bush was "AWOL," or (2) the matter needs further investigation.

Thirty years ago, Bush was granted an honorable discharge from the National Guard –– which would seem to put the matter to rest. But liberals want proof that Bush actually deserved his honorable discharge. (Since when did the party of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd get so obsessed with honor?)

On "Hardball" Monday night, Cleland demanded to see Bush's pay stubs for the disputed period of time, May 1972 to May 1973. "If he was getting paid for his weekend warrior work," Cleland said, "he should have some pay stubs to show it."

The next day, the White House produced the pay stubs. This confirmed what has been confirmed 1 million times before: After taking the summer off, Bush reported for duty nine times between Nov. 29, 1972, and May 24, 1973 -- more than enough times to fulfill his Guard duties. (And nine times more than Bill Clinton, Barney Frank or Chuck Schumer did during the same period.)

All this has been reported -- with documentation -- many times by many news organizations. George magazine had Bush's National Guard records 3 1/2 years ago.

All available evidence keeps confirming Bush's honorable service with the Guard, which leads liberals to conclude ... further investigation is needed! No evidence will ever be enough evidence. That Bush skipped out on his National Guard service is one of liberals' many nondisprovable beliefs, like global warming.

Cleland also expressed outrage that Bush left the National Guard nine months early in 1973 to go to Harvard Business School. On "Hardball," Cleland testily remarked: "I just know a whole lot of veterans who would have loved to have worked things out with the military and adjusted their tour of duty." (Cleland already knows one -- Al Gore!)

When Bush left the National Guard in 1973 to go to business school, the war was over. It might as well have been 1986. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson had already lost the war, and President Nixon had ended it with the Paris peace accords in January. If Bush had demanded active combat, there was no war to send him to.

To put this in perspective, by 1973, John Kerry had already accused American soldiers of committing war crimes in Vietnam, thrown someone else's medals to the ground in an anti-war demonstration, and married his first heiress. Bill Clinton had just finished three years of law school and was about to embark upon a political career -- which would include campaign events with Max Cleland.

Moreover, if we're going to start delving into exactly who did what back then, maybe Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam.

Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman –- or what Cleland sneeringly calls "weekend warriors." Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.

There is more than a whiff of dishonesty in how Cleland is presented to the American people. Terry McAuliffe goes around saying, "Max Cleland, a triple amputee who left three limbs on the battlefield of Vietnam," was thrown out of office because Republicans "had the audacity to call Max Cleland unpatriotic." Mr. Cleland, a word of advice: When a slimy weasel like Terry McAuliffe is vouching for your combat record, it's time to sound "retreat" on that subject.

Needless to say, no one ever challenged Cleland's "patriotism." His performance in the Senate was the issue, which should not have come as a bolt out of the blue inasmuch as he was running for re-election to the Senate. Sen. Cleland had refused to vote for the Homeland Security bill unless it was chock-full of pro-union perks that would have jeopardized national security. ("OH MY GOD! A HIJACKED PLANE IS HEADED FOR THE WHITE HOUSE!" "Sorry, I'm on my break. Please call back in two hours.")

The good people of Georgia -- who do not need lectures on admiring military service –- gave Cleland one pass for being a Vietnam veteran. He didn't get a lifetime pass.

Indeed, if Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. senator in the first place. Maybe he'd be the best pharmacist in Atlanta, but not a U.S. senator. He got into office on the basis of serving in Vietnam and was thrown out for his performance as a senator.

Cleland wore the uniform, he was in Vietnam, and he has shown courage by going on to lead a productive life. But he didn't "give his limbs for his country," or leave them "on the battlefield." There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight. That could have happened in the Texas National Guard -- which Cleland denigrates while demanding his own sanctification.

1 posted on 08/25/2004 8:41:00 PM PDT by mountn man
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2 posted on 08/25/2004 8:41:56 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Whadya mean you haven't bought my book yet?)
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To: mountn man

Kerry should've employed a postal worker.

Postal workers have a lot more clout.


3 posted on 08/25/2004 8:42:10 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Mike Bates

Wrong pic. I wanted the Queen. Not the court jester.


4 posted on 08/25/2004 8:44:15 PM PDT by mountn man
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Wrong pic. I wanted the Queen.

Not sure if I have a pic of McGreevey. Will a Barney Frank do?

5 posted on 08/25/2004 8:48:20 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Whadya mean you haven't bought my book yet?)
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File this under "they can dish it out, but they can't take it". Hypocrites.


6 posted on 08/25/2004 8:51:42 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (I oil, lube, service & remotely operate the Republican attack machine!)
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To: Mike Bates

Naw! But I'll take one of Maureen Dowd, the royal interregator, or torturer. AKA the Iron Maiden.


7 posted on 08/25/2004 8:52:30 PM PDT by mountn man
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Your first post?

You did very well ...

8 posted on 08/25/2004 8:57:02 PM PDT by Dog ( formerly known as VC-- - - - - - Combat Dog.)
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To: Dog

Thanks. Bin Lurkin, for awhile.


9 posted on 08/25/2004 8:59:05 PM PDT by mountn man
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Cleland

He made a total ass out of himself today. He was a babbling idiot. They acted like children.

Imagine, going to see the President of the United States without an appointment. Just walk up to the door and demand an audience. Like President Bush is going to drop everything he's doing to meet with two cry babies with a nasty note for him. Yeh, right. Sheesh!

10 posted on 08/25/2004 9:03:55 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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Just walk up to the door and demand an audience. Not sure if you realize it Cleland CAN'T just walk up to the door.
11 posted on 08/25/2004 9:07:27 PM PDT by mountn man
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Not sure if you realize it Cleland CAN'T just walk up to the door. LOL!!! I have no respect for cleland. He has lost his mind.
12 posted on 08/25/2004 9:11:28 PM PDT by presidentbowen (God Bless Ronald Reagan!)
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Not sure if you realize it Cleland CAN'T just walk up to the door.

OPPS! How politically incorrect of me. I suppose the liberal trial lawyers will be knocking at my door any minute now.

13 posted on 08/25/2004 9:13:39 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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He has lost his mind.

And his legs

Oh how tacky of me. I feel so ashamed........yeah right

14 posted on 08/25/2004 9:17:44 PM PDT by mountn man
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I suppose the liberal trial lawyers will be knocking at my door any minute now.

KNOCK-KNOCK

Hello, were John and John, we're here to sue your mean and nasty, conservative self

15 posted on 08/25/2004 9:21:28 PM PDT by mountn man
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Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson spoke to the talk radio audience of KSEV AM 700 in Houston this afternoon about his meeting with Max Cleland at the Crawford ranch. Jerry Patterson said that Cleland was extremely vitriolic and would not even shake his hand when Patterson offered it to him. Cleland also refused an invitation to share lunch together in Crawford.

However, the letter signed by Patterson and the other pro-Bush veterans was accepted by a staff member who accompanied Cleland to the ranch. The staff person appeared embarrassed by Cleland’s behavior. Cleland is obviously a very bitter man harboring an irrational hatred for President Bush.

16 posted on 08/25/2004 9:28:40 PM PDT by Unmarked Package
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To: Mike Bates

The country is supposed to care what Cleland says and thinks. Not.


17 posted on 08/25/2004 9:43:29 PM PDT by Tax Government (Citizen of the United SOVEREIGN State of America -- a federation, not an empire.)
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To: mountn man

Please dear Lord, free the people of Georgia from Cleland and Carter. You'd think if people were voted out they'd have the grace to stay out.


18 posted on 08/25/2004 9:52:38 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: mountn man

That's because for the last thirty years, he has been waving his stumps at everyone without mentioning he butter-fingered a grenade.


19 posted on 08/25/2004 10:33:42 PM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'Clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: mountn man

Stumpy McFumblefingers is a bitter little man who f**ked up his own life and now is hellbent to f**k up yours too.


20 posted on 08/25/2004 10:35:23 PM PDT by telebob
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