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HEADLINE: Bush Overtakes Kerry in Latest L.A. Times Poll
LA TIMES ^ | 8/25/04 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 08/25/2004 8:00:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: SamAdams76

"Now a lot of these decent people aren't going to go around wearing their politics on their sleeves. Many of them just go about their daily business and don't bother engaging the lunatic left. They are just going to show up this November and make themselves heard at the ballot box."

So true. It's not worth the aggravation.


121 posted on 08/25/2004 10:59:15 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Florida 2000: There Would Have Been No 5-4 Without A 7-2)
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To: pimpalize

"those babies at the kerry forum are shaking in the panties right now that california is so close, wouldnt that be the icing on the cake if we got cali. then again i might be embarassed if cali goes for bush, heh, dont want those nut jobs on my side."

I'm surprised you don't feel obliged to speak respectfully about Californians that would vote in the same way you seem to favor.

Most of California is conservative. Only big city areas, and whacky Bay region are leftists. Check the state map for county voting, which proves my point.


122 posted on 08/25/2004 11:33:57 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: deadeye2

Let me help you with some of this. KQQL has probably forgotten more about political voting hehavior and habits, and how to read polls and the tea leaves, then you will ever learn. KQQL and I have probably traded about 1000 posts or more about these matters, over the course of maybe 3-4 years, and our calls in the end are pretty damn accurate, indeed KQQL's marginally better in hindsight than mine. Stop being condescending, and start being aware of one's own ignorance, which is the first step to knowledge. That's how I see it, and call it.


123 posted on 08/25/2004 11:37:31 PM PDT by Torie
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To: KQQL
I'm not sure of the purpose of your post, but I would point out that I don't think your analysis is very predictive. It may say something about the recent past, but it says little of the future. See "Vital Statistics On American Politics" and you will notice that people do not vote that close to approval ratings; it's just that a specific approval rating is predictive of victory for an incumbent (around 50% or better at a particular time of the year - July). That's whats called a 'binary indicator' in that it denotes 'yes' or 'no' for victory. Past elections show that gray analysis inbetween those two results is not so simple; or predictable. Also, you're using an average approval rating taken over a rather extended period into the past. Don't worry, I'm not mad at you :-) I just think you're analysis is not very predictive and hence not very useful for posting. I would submit, however, that it may be much more predictive just before the election. What matters right now is what direction it is trending; combined with the econometric and past election models that show a victory for Bush. To see that, again, refer to the political 'bible' referenced above.
124 posted on 08/25/2004 11:49:49 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: Torie

You might be right,maybe not. November will settle it.


125 posted on 08/25/2004 11:50:44 PM PDT by deadeye2
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To: Blood of Tyrants; The Bandit; stayout; AmericanMade1776; dennisw; Diogenesis; Mr Ramsbotham; ...

Swift Boat Veterans Hurt Kerry in Latest Poll

Washington Dispatch - August 25, 2004 ...and if this story is based on the LA Slimes, you can BET that dubya's spread would be a few points more without the slime's special 'sauce', plus maybe two points more if they used 'likely voters', plus one or two points more if they included Nader.

A Cherynobl in progress?

126 posted on 08/25/2004 11:53:21 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: KQQL; Torie

Do you two think Gallup will show a preceptable bump for Bush or a backlash?

The LA Times survey seems to show a major shift, also reflected in these state polls. Still, I'm more confident of Gallup's work. Apprehensive, however, judging by how the Fox polit-panel was gabbing.


127 posted on 08/25/2004 11:55:33 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: lavrenti

I, for one, think it will show a bump of some kind. I base that on the overall trending of national polls over the last week. They're all showing a break-out for Bush. Gallups last poll showed Bush up by 2%. More recent polls showed a tie, but that was with RV. LV is likely to more in favor of Bush. Also, the electronic markets showed the same trend.


128 posted on 08/26/2004 12:00:15 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: lavrenti

Nobody knows how this passion play will play out (there have been ups and downs on both sides so far). Kerry in the end however, will have to answer this stuff directly, or he will lose. He is bleeding just by being coy about the details - and he was stupid to posture himself as a war hero at the Dem convention. Even a genuine war hero like McCain didn't go there in the his primaries against Bush. Genuine war heroes don't proclaim it. They don't need to, or want to, because war heroes just do it, they don't talk about it. They are men, not girlie-men loquacious poseurs. That is my sense of the lay of the land.


129 posted on 08/26/2004 12:01:22 AM PDT by Torie
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The Iowa Electronic Market [election stock market]
just took a DRAMATIC shift for BUSH!
Go SwiftVets!!!
130 posted on 08/26/2004 12:04:54 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Bump!


131 posted on 08/26/2004 12:07:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Toonces T. Cat

tonight I sent them 100.00. That's all I can spare right now.


132 posted on 08/26/2004 12:14:16 AM PDT by Lovergirl (Bush/Cheney / 4 more years)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


133 posted on 08/26/2004 12:20:57 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Torie

I want to pause for a moment in speculation regarding the immense jam Kerry got himself into. This is the bloodiest part of the passion play, so far.

What hurts Kerry is he probably does not know the plan of attack is against him. The initial response to the advertisments were shockingly noncommittal and lame, reflective of hubris, and self-denial. One has to realize that when Kerry is calling former fellow officers for help, as he has in the last two-three days, he was utterly unprepared--almost as if he never gave it a thought that this would occur.

Then comes what perhaps is the fatal error committed by both the campaign and the mainstream media regarding this story. They lost the ability to control their opponent by making them adjust their strategy or lose focus. Kerry and his supporters are still going overboard defending his afteraction reports basically. The Swift Boats are talking about the VVAW now.

That new ad has been running essentially unanswered in battlegrounds for two days while the screaming meemies are shouting about something else. We've seen meltdowns, but this is perhaps the first major political campaign to become *unhinged*. They've lost all sense of control, and the media is increasingly being left behind in their failure to notice the focus on Kerry has shifted to his antiwar activism.

Then, to go back to the original point. Kerry does not know what comes next. He knows the truth, but he has control over releasing potentially politically fatal documents. Could it be Winter Soldier? KC? Other naval records? He hasn't a clue.

He cannot answer directly because he doesn't know what the future questions are. He also cannot answer responsibly regarding the VVAW because it would destroy his campaign, damage his party and ultimately make him look very bad, which, for a man with his unresolved emotional issues is likely the worst for him to personally overcome.

In short, he's ^%$#@. People I think are sensing that and this is being reflected in these remarkable pre-Convention shifts.


134 posted on 08/26/2004 12:21:22 AM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Torie

Torie, John Kerry is an empty vessel.

No matter how we reviled him and his mob, Bill Clinton was a remarkably skilled and successful operator. I watched him work in Boston and I just smiled ... he's so full of crap, but it is spectacular bullcrap.

Kerry has none of that rougish charm and charisma. Neither does President Bush. Clinton's a once in a generation character. Amen.

Bush is trusted and believed. That's the winning edge.


135 posted on 08/26/2004 12:22:19 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: FL_engineer
"A Chernobyl in progress?"

One can only hope so.
136 posted on 08/26/2004 12:34:38 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: lavrenti

That POW ad is devistating. It makes people stop and watch.


137 posted on 08/26/2004 12:34:45 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: truth_seeker

The poster doesn't seem to realize that it is some of those "nut jobs" in California that provide this Web site.


138 posted on 08/26/2004 12:40:28 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Lovergirl
tonight I sent them 100.00. That's all I can spare right now.

Take care of yourself and your family FIRST and ALWAYS! ;^) Right?

What a generous donation. Last Saturday, I sold two tickets I was given to the Packers-Saints game for $100 and I donated the proceeds to the mission.

It is good to find causes that are effective and righteous.

I'm a cynic and doubting Thomas by nature but I see nothing but honesty, sacrifice and duty among the SwiftVets. I'm so delighted to watch these men stand tall.

JENJIS Khan my ass. I hate Kerry just for the way he pronounced that name.

139 posted on 08/26/2004 12:45:41 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker

To sum it up, he doesn't have the knee-pad brigades suckling to his defense.


140 posted on 08/26/2004 12:47:05 AM PDT by DB (©)
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