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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

So Kerry didn't save Rassman's life?
He just gave him a lift?


7 posted on 08/24/2004 7:29:07 AM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5

It's entirely possible that Rassman thought his life was saved. I also just read that 1LT Rassman, a Green Beret, is the one who wrote up the citation.

If he knew he was exaggerating a bit at the time (because that's the way some awards are), it would be real hard to go back on that years later, and especially amidst this firestorm.


38 posted on 08/24/2004 7:38:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: keats5
So Kerry didn't save Rassman's life? He just gave him a lift?

NO, NO, NO !!!

Completely different incident.

Not ranting at YOU. The MSM has NOT read the book, and is not keeping up. I think it is a deliberate ploy, to muddle the incidents so they can call into question the veracity of the Swifties.

For instance, the Rood article, concerning the Silver Star, in which Kerry went after the "teenage" Viet Cong, and shot him behind the hooch. This incident is being muddled with the picking up of Rassman - as to whether there was any enemy fire.These were 2 separate instances.

It is making me crazy!!! LOL
76 posted on 08/24/2004 7:53:25 AM PDT by baseballmom (Michael Moore - An un-American Hatriot)
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To: keats5

I wonder how deep the water was.


91 posted on 08/24/2004 8:08:41 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Swifties v. MoveOn.org: David slays Goliath)
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To: keats5
So Kerry didn't save Rassman's life? He just gave him a lift?

What's your point ?

a: The Rassman incident had nothing to do with Kerry's first PH.

b:Kerry did his duty in retrieving Rassman after losing him overboard, to have not done so would have been dereliction of duty, so it was not an "act of heroism"

c: If Kerry had not picked up Rassman, Chenoweth was ready to do so just 10 yards away, therefore he would not have drowned.

d: there are no reports of hostile fire during the Rassman incident. no one else was wounded (except by the mine explosion) and there were no damage reports of bullet holes despite the fact the other boats were there for over an hour on a 75 yard wide waterway. The Swift boats did open up themselves when the mine went off, this is likely what Rassman mistook for enemy fire.

e: Rassman (who nominated Kerry for his medal) was also mistaken in his statement that Kerry was "bleeding from his arm" -Kerry's Medical Report shows he was only bruised, therefore Rassman cannot be considered to be a reliable witness.

165 posted on 08/24/2004 10:00:30 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: keats5

>>So Kerry didn't save Rassman's life? He just gave him a lift?


Yep. I read that long ago, from Rassman's own accout, I believe.

Rassman climbed a 'rope ladder' or some kind of 'netting'
that made it easier for swimmers to get out of the water, but Rassman
was unable to pull himself over the railing.

Kerry pulled him over the rail. THATS ALL. Some hero!

...and another boat was 10 yards away and would have gotten
him out instead 30 seconds later if Kerry had not returned.


172 posted on 08/24/2004 10:26:11 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: keats5

I don't think saving Rassman has ever been disputed.

Although Kerry has changed his story 3 times that I know of .. saying he plucked Rassman out of the water; he was wounded and bleeding in his arm and hip and he lunged over the side of the boat to drag Kerry into the boat; and he jumped into the water to get Rassman. I've heard all 3 stories.

The SBV's never have denied Kerry rescued Rassman. What they dispute is the reason Kerry had to rescue Rassman .. they believe Kerry gunned his boat to run away after the mine went off, and that action resulted in Rassman being thrown overboard. When Kerry realized there was no fire coming at the boats, he returned to get Rassman - but another SB was within 10 secs of getting Rassman. And .. Kerry claimed in his after action report that the boat was "under fire" .. it wasn't.

I've wondered if Rassman's story would be different if another SB had picked him up ..??


197 posted on 08/24/2004 3:46:08 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: Nov 2004 - is an Election for the Soul of America)
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