Posted on 08/23/2004 7:47:32 PM PDT by hansel
THE WORD IN REPUBLICAN CIRCLES [08/23 02:41 PM] Just chatted with a high-ranking Republican tuned in to the Bush campaign. A couple of highlights: * The idea that the Swift Boat Vets ads’ could boomerang on Bush is wishful thinking. Smart Democrats understand there’s nothing good about this for John Kerry. * The Bush campaign isn’t worried that the Swift Boat Vets’ message will step on President Bush’s message during the convention. * Despite Josh Marshall’s charges, Bob Dole wasn’t “sent out” by the Bush campaign. The campaign offered to brief him on some issues, and he turned it down. “Bob Dole doesn’t let anybody tell Bob Dole what to do,” the high-ranking Republican said, using the exact third-person style that Dole himself would use. * The Republican also wasn’t impressed with Kerry’s efforts to urge television stations not to run the Swift Boats’ ad, wondering how loud the cries of outrage would have been if the Bush campaign had tried to prevent “Fahrenheit 9/11” from running in theaters.
I'm good. And you? I wonder what Kerry's going to say tomorrow in his speech. He obviously likes to play the victim. I have to say, watching Brit's panel tonight when Mort was saying how Kerry might have taken control of this controversy made me want to throw my shoe at the TV.
I pray that this will all work out in the end.
Bravo!!!
ClancyJ, I sympathize. Let me tell you though, the media has been a bunch of lying leftists since at least 1968, maybe before that they were OK, but they've stunk since then. But despite all their mockery and negativity, Nixon was elected and re-elected; Reagan was elected and re-elected; the contract with America passed and the pubbies have displaced the dems in ways too numerous for me to recount here. Now, they haven't done all they should have done to further the conservative cause, but that's an argument for another day.
My point is, all these victories occurred with the media just as against us as they are right now; and often against candidates who were a darn sight better than John F'in Kerry, the Benedict Arnold of his time. Except that Benedict Arnold was really WAS a great war hero before he was a great traitor.
It's always good to worry, I'm a big believer in it. I think worrying is just another kind of praying, really. But if that pompous ass Kerry gets elected, now, after 9/11, on a platform of handing over control of our nation to the UN (about the one stance he's never wavered on), well if that proves to be the case, then things are really far worse than I've realized; and it will be time to seriously consider moving to a far more remote location. Like Australia.
No, didn't see him. Don't have cable and last saw him on tv during the 2000 election. Been lurking ever since. He was a twit then and sounds like he still is. Actually, studies have shown that only perverts wear bow ties. It's a fact. You can look it up.
He looked like a Saturday Night Live episode of a politician. That bow tie was not your regular bow tie - it was Super Bowtie.
On Brit's show, Kessler who did that survey with the swift vet ad impact and independents' said that the first ad had moderate interest and moderate believability and seemed to hurt Kerry with independents. But he said the second ad, had little interest and believability and actually hurt Bush a little with independents.
How could the second ad hurt Bush?
You can tell I was not into politics until Al Gore/George Bush (when I was jolted to awareness by the attempted theft of an election right before by eyes by AL GORE - not George Bush).
Seems every night I end up prowling FR and news sites for some grain of reassurance that all is not yet lost. And, it now amazes me that some people never discuss politics as part of their life - while we are glued to all the talk shows day and night.
I will try and realize this has been going on for years and even if a Kerry for president, we will survive and win another day.
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They've never had their backs this close to the wall before, ever. Part of this is due to President Bush turning their 'Vietnam' paradigm upside down. Vietnam was the high water mark of mainstream media power, and it has been a sabre they could rattle for 30 years. With Afghanistan and Iraq on their way to freedom and prosperity after a judicious use of force, the MSM fears that their precious trump card will be thrown in the dustbin of history.
Another part of this is technology rendering them obsolete. Unlike ideas, which can come and go, innovation is here to stay. Talk radio, the internet, and cable news are breaking the power of old media. As overextended as they may seem in trying to spike and sink the Swift Boat vets, they have no choice. Their survival as the kings of media is at stake.
So, both ideologically and economically speaking, the liberal mainstream media is in mortal danger. They see Kerry as an old school liberal messenger who will respect their authority and restore their world to how it once was. They will pull out all the stops to support him. This may be the MSM's Battle of the Bulge, so expect them to fight like it.
Scarborough is an immature flake who doesn't understand
the conservative worldview. Prager has twice his brains
and character. Listen to Dennis, forget Joe.
Very interesting information from both of you - sort of like older days on FR. And, no shouting matches needed.
The Bush family and many GOP supporters have major economic/political ties with China. They do not want to make an issue out of China.
This from the party that put up Draft Dodgin' Billy Blow-wad against two celebrated WWII vets. All of a sudden, now, veteran's status means something to them?
Hey, Johnny, Vietnam ended 30 years ago! Tell us something about how you would govern today (and try not to contradict yourself every second)!
As one reply that I received said, it is because of the feeling Bush is vulnerable on the outsourcing issue. Forget that this does not speak exactly to the point, that position still does not wash.
Kerry is already hammering Bush on the issue - or at least trying to - and scoring points with people for whom this issue counts. Bringing up these trips Kerry took to China and his affiliation with Boston Capital & Technology is not going to make Bush's position on the issue any different in these people's eyes. That is, unless you think it will give Kerry the opening to bring it up more. My feeling is you take the issue away from Kerry with those sitting on the fence but that consider outsourcing an important issue and an issue in favor of Kerry. Those for whom this is an issue but not the only issue will then make their decision on other factors as they find there is not a whole lot of difference between Bush and Kerry on outsourcing. And on those other issues, Bush wins.
That, of course, is forgetting entirely the point to be by pointing out Kerry is a pandering, sleeze and his hypocrisy of saying he is against outsourcing when he led the outsourcing charge in the late 1990's. Have you seen the article?
So, is it a joke? No, I don't think so. I think undecided voters are more cynical than that and it does not take much to disillusion them, especially with a candidate like Kerry who already has some negatives with the ordinary Democrat voter.
Yep. It's the reason why the RATs in New Jersey are frantically trying to get McGreevey to step down earlier, even though he actually went up in the MSM polls after announcing he was gay. The Dems know it will hurt the party, and Kerry, if McGreevey is still in office Election Day.
I agree that Dennis Prager is great! My point was that in my view, Joe Scarborough was not even handed, he had the jurnalist on that interviewed Kerry back in 1971, (Oliphant?) he spent most of the hour talking about the "real" Kerry with him. Joe brought Prager and two others about the last 5 minutes.
Oh yes, already heard it on a local political forum.
> Oh yes, already heard it on a local political forum.
And the Kerry Kamp just used it in a PR:
Kerry-Edwards:
Bush-Backed Smear Campaign Continues to Backfire
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