Posted on 08/23/2004 3:40:15 PM PDT by WKB
Your neighbor does not live within the body of another human and your neighbor has awareness beyond the interior of another human body.
nor can a woman abort her child under such pretenses.
The decision to abort a developing human is not done under the pretense of a wrong decision. That decision is believed to be the best option under the circumstances (all of which are often known only to those directly involved).
The point regarding freedom was that if there is no freedom to make a wrong decision, then there is no freedom at all. Humans do not make correct decisions all the time but they are always trying to make correct decisions.
Pro-life NOT "pivotal"??
I haven't seen your planet yet, but if your script becomes reality, the noveau RINO sell-out pragmatists will have shrunken the GOP to half it's current number in order to co-opt the so-called "social liberal/fiscal conservatives."
There WILL be a conservative Third Party to fill the vacuum waay before then -- and I'm assuming it'll be strongly pro-life, pro-gun, pro-US sovereignty, anti-socialism, AND pro-tradition on cultural issues. Everything RINOs are willing to cave into in order to retain power.
And it won't win any elections.
Not yet.
As the GOP attempts to wean mor "moderates" into the party, they will abandon the traditional party platform (notably pro-life).
If the GOP is willing swap its pro-life base for moderates, both the Dems AND GOP will weaken, and a conservative Third Party will establish itself quickly. Then ANYBODY will have a shot.
Pre-Roe, each state decided the parameters of the abortion issue within its respective borders.
You don't fight big government with big government. Period. Too many self proclaimed conservatives want to destory federal power by expanding federal power. That philosophy is "nanny" at its core.
Already is. It's called the Constitution Party (even though its tenets have little to do with that document). They pull off the difficult task every four years of getting even less of the vote than the Libertarians, and have NO elected officials to their credit.
"I haven't seen your planet yet, but if your script becomes reality, the noveau RINO sell-out pragmatists will have shrunken the GOP to half it's current number in order to co-opt the so-called "social liberal/fiscal conservatives."
Not if the Constitution Party is any example. Fact is, the portion of the GOP that holds abortion as its number-one issue is shrinking steadily. And don't make the mistake that it's going away for good...it's being replaced by those Young Turks NC speaks of as the older generations retire from the field.
Those who have grown up post Roe simply do not devote much time at all to thinking about it. Those who favor Republicans and conservatism, when they think of it at all, tend to be prolife, but not to the point that they will march in the streets for it. It's more of a "Well, I'LL never get one, but..." attitude. They simply do not wish to enforce their own morals on others.
It may be shocking to those who feel passionately about abortion, as I'm sure you do, but that's reality...young people today just do not think so much about it. They DO thinkk about Social Security, taxes, the War, and freedom and liberty of the individual. Mostly, they are pro-gun as well, but again they tell no one else that they SHOULD own guns, they just buy them themselves. (Quite often too...including the ladies).
Social issues, such as abortion, are viewed by them as a sideshow, a distraction from what they see as REAL issues. Considering my previous post about the likelihood of abortion ever being banned again, they may be right, too.
"Too bad they weren't aborted!!
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Now, there's an ugly sentiment. Shame on you!
Exactly!
That third party will never win an election and eventually there stands a strong likelihood that they will splinter internally over issues of who's stronger on abortion or the right to bear arms.
Do these pro-abortion Republicans think that liberals are going to vote for them when the race is between a pro-abortion Dem and a pro-abortion Republican? They're going to vote for the Rat every time.
Babies in the womb need to be protected. The wrong was done at the Federal level, and needs to be corrected at that level. The idea that such is a NANNY state is a laughable joke. Period.
These are the same people who presided over the GOP when it was mired in the minority.
Now, after the GOP has the majority, in part by embracing a pro-life position, these freaks continue to say "You Religious Wackos are way out of the mainstream and we're going to lose because of you!"
Gerald Ford, the loser who is the Spiritual Leader of this bunch, is still upset at the social conservatives in the Party.
What a terrible war these babies are fighting.
God keep them at peace.
What you have to understand is that there are certain Republicans who, deep down inside, enjoy being in the political wilderness.
Overturning Roe is one thing. However, conservatives are supposed to be in favor of States' rights. Why not leave this issue to the States to deal with?
I do not see liberalized abortion happening in Texas, should Roe v. Wade be overturned, as it would cause the GOP majority in the Legislature to become hopelessly divided. Additionally, many Democrats are elected by predominantly Hispanic, and therefore heavily Catholic, districts. Outside of Austin and a few precincts of Dallas and Houston, white liberals, the most enthusiastic pro-aborts, are a relatively rare breed in Texas. Both parties would likely not touch the issue of liberalizing the pre-1973 abortion prohibition.
Isn't that exactly what you are doing by flagging your "Help me Spock" list? As an aside, instead of lecturing conservatives on what we are supposed to have as our priorities, how about leaving that up to us.
Exactly. I think conservatism has done quite fine without taking the abvice of those who want us to moderate our prioroties, lest we offend someone or appear insensitive.
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