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Bush's Nephew in Mexico, Calls Arming Of Border Guards 'Reprehensible'
AP ^ | Aug 21, 2004 | MARK STEVENSON

Posted on 08/21/2004 9:04:20 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

(08-21) 15:55 PDT MEXICO CITY (AP) --

President Bush's nephew, campaigning for overseas votes in Mexico on Saturday, called the federal policy of arming U.S. Border Patrol agents with plastic pellet guns "reprehensible."

Speaking in a mix of English and sometimes-halting Spanish, George P. Bush said his uncle was not to blame for the gun policy, which has angered Mexicans. He instead blamed it on "some local INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) guy who's trying to be tough, act macho."

"If there has been American approval for this policy, that is reprehensible," Bush said of the guns, essentially paintball projectiles filled with chile powder. "It's kind of barbarous."

The pellet guns, which were approved at the federal level, have been used on a trial basis since 2001 in California and Arizona. The U.S. Border Patrol fired the pepper-balls in 81 instances in 2002-03 and reported no deaths or severe injuries.

President Bush's Hispanic nephew -- he's the grandson of migrant worker Jose Maria Garnica -- is in Mexico on a week-long visit to drum up support for his uncle among the estimated 1 million Americans living there.

The younger Bush, whose father is Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and mother, Columba, is originally from Mexico, acknowledged at a news conference that the war in Iraq is not popular in Mexico but defended the military action, saying "we're almost done with it."

He also acknowledged that "there are some people in our (Republican) party who don't see the benefits of immigration," but promised that President Bush was a proponent of immigration reform.

He called Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez "a dictator" and cast doubt on his victory last week in a recall referendum, saying Chavez had "a long history of fraud." Outside observers, including former President Jimmy Carter, have endorsed the Venezuelan vote counts.

Christopher Fussner, global chairman of Republicans Abroad, which funded Bush's trip, called Mexico "the most important country" for getting overseas votes.

Fussner said Republicans are advertising in overseas English-language newspapers around the world in hopes of capturing expatriate votes.

Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign also has enlisted family members to woo voters in Mexico. His sister, Diana Kerry, chairwoman of Americans Overseas for Kerry, visited Mexico City in July.

Kerry supporters also held a voter-registration and ballot-request drive in Guadalajara on Thursday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; bush; expats; georgep; immigrantlist; mexico; nephew
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To: Final Authority

It is indeed all over except for the counting of the dead (euphemistically, of course).

Don't laugh. The Demorats are signing 'em up to vote in this election here in Vegas. They're going into the stores, bars and street corners and not being too careful about ID from what I hear. Who do you think they'll be voting for?


61 posted on 08/21/2004 9:48:16 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Howlin

The complete article doesn't add much. At least the scion dumped on the Venezuelan scepter of ominous portent - quite ominous. Oil is going to be around 50 bucks or more a barrel for a very long time. Maybe that will thin out those horrid SUV's on the roads. There is a silver lining in that.


62 posted on 08/21/2004 9:49:19 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Final Authority
It is all over. All the Dems have to do is run this guy saying these things over and over again. It is indeed all over except for the counting of the dead (euphemistically, of course).

Hilarious.

63 posted on 08/21/2004 9:49:47 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (2004 Doom World Tour.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Don't laugh. The Demorats are signing 'em up to vote in this election here in Vegas. They're going into the stores, bars and street corners and not being too careful about ID from what I hear. Who do you think they'll be voting for?

Want to make a wager on who wins Nevada?

64 posted on 08/21/2004 9:50:14 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (2004 Doom World Tour.)
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To: Texas_Dawg

I only know one person voting for Bush. One. The rest of us have had enough of his hispandering. We're the ones paying the price.


65 posted on 08/21/2004 9:51:41 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Here's the deal. USBP has Stingball guns in addition to their M-4s (in 5.56 mm) and their sidearms (often Berettas in 9mm).

Stingballs are a plastic or gelatin pellet the size of a grape that are filled with a Capsicum-based irritant, kind of like pepper spray. You don't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of officers shooting stingballs at you. Really, really unpleasant. Been through military CS training? These are, I am reliably informed, worse. The idea is to incapacitate a suspect in situations where you don't want to use deadly force, like using a stun gun, or a taser, or pepper spray. Nothing wrong with that. I don't know what Bush's nephew is complaining about. If you're a Mexican and you're not entering the US illegally, and you're not posing a hazard to the BP officers that caught you if you tried it, then you won't get shot with Stingballs. Don't F with La Migra, and you'll be fine.

My main (not the only) gripe with W is that he seems to be allowing Fox to dictate US border policy. That is something that needs to be addressed. The source of the article however, Associated Press, leads me to believe that this is just another attempt to drive wedges into the conservative base. Leftist media organs can be counted on to churn out mountains of anything that they can think of to divide conservatives before this election. I have seen lots of articles on a variety of subjects that attempt to do this very thing in the past couple of weeks.


66 posted on 08/21/2004 9:52:41 PM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Nevada will be a bit more GOP than the nation. This idea that it is a linchpin state in an otherwise tight election is spam.
67 posted on 08/21/2004 9:52:48 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I only know one person voting for Bush. One. The rest of us have had enough of his hispandering. We're the ones paying the price.

That's nice. I'm actually glad to hear that. The GOP wins when you lose.

And I didn't think you wanted to take that bet. Thanks for playing. Later.

68 posted on 08/21/2004 9:52:48 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (2004 Doom World Tour.)
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To: Riley
My main (not the only) gripe with W is that he seems to be allowing Fox to dictate US border policy.

Actually, he's letting the large majority of American small business owners dictate his border policy. As he should.

69 posted on 08/21/2004 9:55:01 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (2004 Doom World Tour.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
What is it with George P. Bush and others. Not only do we need to arm our Border Guards we need to close them.
We have the technology to monitor the Mexican Border and the Canadian one and we need strict controls on both.
I am sick & tired of the RINO's and Lefties that condemn doing what is necessary and right, Controlling our Borders.
Mexico has the Army patrolling their own southern border yet they feel it is their right to criticize us for thinking of doing the same on our southern border.
I am tired of idiots like Asa Hutchinson not enforcing the Immigration and Border Laws we have.
Hell lets take those troops we are bringing home and put them on the borders along with the pilot less drone planes and use the same technology we had during the Cold War and spike our borders with sensors so that we know when as much as a jack rabbit crosses over into our Territory.
71 posted on 08/21/2004 9:57:57 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Texas_Dawg
I respectfully disagree. The law that is on record ought to be properly enforced.

Are you suggesting that a large majority of American small businesses rely on illegal alien labor, or did I miss something in your post?

72 posted on 08/21/2004 9:59:30 PM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: Atossa
WHY is the US government so eager to turn the USA into the THIRD WORLD ??!!!

Well, as Texas_Dawg said

Actually, he's letting the large majority of American small business owners dictate his border policy. As he should.

Never underestimate the power of low wages. Look how well it worked for the South in the 19th century.

73 posted on 08/21/2004 10:00:18 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Atossa
Are YOU a Russian,or an American living in Russia? Why do you fly the Russian flag on your personal page?

FWIW,American citizens living outside of America,FOR WHATEVER REASON,are allowed to vote in American elections.Why do YOU have a problem with that? They still have to pay American taxes.Or didn't you know that? :-)

74 posted on 08/21/2004 10:00:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texas_Dawg
"...they won't be getting my vote this time..."

There are FReepers who were supporters of Pat Buchanan four years ago. They believe that President Bush did something unfair (they can't say what) to prevent primary voters from nominating Buchanan instead of Bush.

Four years ago Buchanan tried to cut into Bush's vote in Florida and Michigan by concentrating his commercials in those states and appealing to both racists and xenophobes.

This year they are targeting xenophobes in key battleground states through use of the Mexican immigration issue. Obviously Buchanan can't be out front so he uses a Colorado Republican Congressman named Tom Tancredo (a real nut case).

Buchanan set up an organization and website in Tancredo's name. Buchanan's webmaster is Tancredo's webmaster and he put his sister Bay Buchanan in as Chairman.

They are the source of much of the anti-Mexican, anti-Bush propaganda venom that Buchanan's spawn are spewing on FR. After the election they will slither back under their rocks for another four years.

75 posted on 08/21/2004 10:02:39 PM PDT by bayourod ("All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerry’s boat. Kerry fled. " Van Odell)
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To: skip_intro
The message is that Americans need to highly skilled, or they will be on the income tax credit rolls. Putting aside immigration, there is no turning back the genie of a world integrated economy, in which about two billion Chinese and Indians are rapidly entering. The jig is up.
76 posted on 08/21/2004 10:04:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Texas_Dawg
Am I funny, like a clown? I am glad that you are humored because the one thing that GWB and Kerry has avoided like the plague is border issues and this guy sends up the flag and it ain't funny for W. He will have his muzzle on before dawn, I reckon.
77 posted on 08/21/2004 10:05:13 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH! This schmuck can't even speak spanish? Bush in now, somebody really mean in later. I am EXTREMELY tired of living in an Hispanic country, I've had it it. MEXICO: Cure your corruption, your crime, your poverty, don't bring it all here.

Maybe George P. can be pres. of Mexico one day. I remember back in 2001 (before Sept. 11th), I said "we need to get al gore back, Bush wants to be president of Mexico, bill clinton wants to be mayor of harlem" Sometimes I think it is still true.

Mexicans, STAY HOME!


78 posted on 08/21/2004 10:08:08 PM PDT by jocon307 (That's allowed, as long as we all vote for W.)
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To: jocon307
This schmuck can't even speak spanish?

That's a lie.

I remember back in 2001 (before Sept. 11th), I said "we need to get al gore back

Quite telling.

80 posted on 08/21/2004 10:10:58 PM PDT by Howlin (Kerry being called a war hero is "a colloquialism.")
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