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1 posted on 08/20/2004 4:48:54 AM PDT by SJackson
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Posted.
2 posted on 08/20/2004 4:50:12 AM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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To: SJackson

Bet this won't stick.


3 posted on 08/20/2004 4:52:51 AM PDT by sawmill trash (We interrupt the regularly scheduled tagline to bring you this special tagline.)
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To: SJackson

WOW! Just WOW!


4 posted on 08/20/2004 4:54:12 AM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: SJackson

Frankly, this sounds like nitpicking nonsense.

What would be interesting is a valid copy of his DD-214 with the SPN.


5 posted on 08/20/2004 4:54:15 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SJackson

Did they serve with Kerry? How dare they!

< sarcasm/never off >


6 posted on 08/20/2004 4:54:29 AM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: SJackson

I checked his web site. It says the V is with the Bronze one. Don't think this argument will fly. There is plenty out there, but not this.


7 posted on 08/20/2004 4:56:16 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: SJackson

Didn't Admiral Bourda commit SU-I-CIDE over this very issue?


8 posted on 08/20/2004 4:56:49 AM PDT by jocon307
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There seems to be a 1 to 1 correlation between Kerry's deepening woes about his medals and the continued adding of former Clinton administration re-threads to his campaign staff. Quite remarkable that the bleeding is becoming more intensive when you considered what these spin doctors were able to accomplish during Clinton's 2 terms.

I think Kerry and MIA Edwards are being savaged from within as well as from without and Bill and Hill are surely at the center of Kerry's problems.

9 posted on 08/20/2004 4:58:07 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: SJackson

Illegal embellishment of a Silver Star isn't any big deal to the recipient of a Purple Heart awarded for self inflicted rice rash.


11 posted on 08/20/2004 5:01:27 AM PDT by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first!)
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To: SJackson
Embellished is such an ugly word......

How about LIES.....LIED....DID LIE...IS LYING...WILL LIE AGAIN.....

To his type there is no such thing as 'lying' because there is no such thing as 'truth'

there is only pragmatic speech....words are merely tools to 'further an end'

And the only sin is...'not getting what you want' or in Kerry's and the Clintonista's case...

And what they want... is Power....Raw Power....Absoulute Power.... Uber Alles Power.....

imo
13 posted on 08/20/2004 5:08:11 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Whats kooky and spooky about Lurch is not that he lied but that he had his DD214 amended! Who does that almost thirty years later? Fellow veterans? Any of you amended your dd214? Thought so. And then this issue where they made up a silver star with valor just for john kerry? He must be some kinda rambo...
What the right needs is a 60 minutes type show in primetime with say john stossel and michelle malkin at the helm. Trust me, they would never run out of fresh material and we might even see some objective journalism.


23 posted on 08/20/2004 5:29:06 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68
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This question probably just shows my ignorance of Naval procedure, but, why would "LT" Kerry leave active service and continue service as an "Ensign" in the USNR?

I understand that would have been inactive service, but why the reduction in rank? When I went on inactive reserve they quit calling me a Senior Airman and started calling me Sergeant!


30 posted on 08/20/2004 5:56:33 AM PDT by T.Smith
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Yep ... the Silver Star never has a V designation, that would be redundant. The Bronze Star does because it can be awarded for meritorious achievement. My father-in-law who served in Korea (1950-51) as a doctor in the dental corps, was awarded the Bronze Star. His unit spent months in close proximity to combat operations. Another individual I knew from my Marine Corps days was awarded the Bronze Star for communications work he did at Khe Sanh during the Tet offensive in 1968. A Bronze Star with a V designates a specific act of valor in combat conditions. An Oak Leaf cluster, on any award, designate a subsequent award. A Silver Star with an Oak Leaf cluster designates two Silver Star medals.
35 posted on 08/20/2004 6:30:58 AM PDT by BluH2o
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For Immediate Release August 19, 2004

Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow

I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which
falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the
river.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire
directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the
only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred on the river that day.

It was not until I had left the Navy-approximately three months after I left the service-that I was notified that I was to receive a citation
for my actions on that day.

I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number
three and to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat and several other swift boats went to the aid of our
fellow swift boat sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided immediate rescue and damage control to prevent
boat three from sinking and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.

After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water, John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river,
fled the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water.
Kerry's boat returned several minutes later-under no hail of enemy gunfire-to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before
another boat was going to pick him up.

Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this incident-the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only
briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr. Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day
reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The only damage on that day was done to boat three-a result of
the underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from enemy gunfire.

And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the
other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a direct contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in
the Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.

These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever
left the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left behind?

Statement by Navy Veteran Van Odell, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

in Rebuttal to Michael Dobbs, Washington Post, August 19, 2004

A courageous, soft spoken man of the Midwest, Larry Thurlow has a heart bigger than the great plains and a
commitment to truth and honesty that is boundless. He is under attack, because John Kerry is feeling the heat of truth
at the hands of this honest man and others like him.

The Kerry Campaign is attacking the truthfulness of this man and the Bronze Star he so richly deserves for his actions
on March 13, 1969. I was there. I saw what happened.

The mine's detonation lifted PCF-3 completely out of the water just yards ahead of me. All boats commenced
suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.

All boats came to the aid of PCF-3, except one: John Kerry's boat. Kerry fled.

Larry Thurlow piloted his boat straight toward the mine-damaged PCF-3 from which thick, black smoke billowed. He
jumped aboard and personally led damage control operations that saved the boat and rescue operations that saved
the lives of badly wounded men. Larry's leadership was in the highest traditions of the naval service. His leadership
allowed the other men and boats of the mission to exit the river safely. This single act of meritorious service -- the
chief requirement of the Bronze Star -- should be honored, not ridiculed, by the Kerry campaign and its allies in the
mainstream media.

To reiterate, only one enemy weapon was deployed that day -- the command-detonated submerged mine that disabled
PCF-3. Larry Thurlow's citation contained references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire," because that
was the language chosen by John Kerry who penned the spot report on the action that day. There was no "enemy
small arms and automatic weapons fire" received that day. John Kerry's report was fiction -- a hoax on the entire chain
of command. Larry Thurlow's heroism and meritorious service, however, is real.

To me Larry is one of the heroes of our country. He is a man who served his country when called and who returned
home to be a productive citizen. Larry and men like him are the strong backbone of our society. I am proud to have
served with him.


36 posted on 08/20/2004 6:33:04 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: SJackson
JOHN KERRY=
Traitor
Pronunciation: 'trA-t&r
Etymology: Middle English traitre, from Old French, to hand over, deliver, betray
1 : One who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty...
2 : One who commits treason...

50 posted on 08/20/2004 9:08:11 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: Burlem

Here it is.


60 posted on 08/20/2004 3:13:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SJackson

Most interesting. A federal document has possibly been altered or forged. Surely no clerk would make a mistake like that, it's adding something totally illogical to a military record.


63 posted on 08/20/2004 3:51:15 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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BUMP FOR SWIFT VET AD2... http://www.swiftvets.com/


72 posted on 08/21/2004 12:27:01 PM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: SJackson

and yet 35% of veterans still poll for Kerry


73 posted on 08/21/2004 12:29:46 PM PDT by Teacher317
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bttt...


79 posted on 08/23/2004 2:02:13 PM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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