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Iraq Abuse Investigation Said to Clear Top US Commanders
Voice of America ^ | 19 Aug 2004, 17:37 UTC | Nick Simeone

Posted on 08/19/2004 1:26:20 PM PDT by glorgau

A U.S Army investigation into abuses of Iraqi inmates at Abu Ghraib prison is expected to place blame on low-level soldiers, while generally clearing senior commanders of involvement. Seven U.S. soldiers are already facing charges of abuse in connection with a scandal that shocked the world.

The results of the Army investigation are expected to be released in the coming days. Barring any last minute changes, U.S. military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, say it will place most blame for the abuses at Abu Ghraib on reservist guards and those who ran the prison. They say the investigation found no direct evidence that high level Pentagon commanders gave orders for prisoners to be abused.

One soldier charged in the abuse case has already pleaded guilty, and has been sentenced to a year in prison. All the defendants say they were just following orders from higher up in the military chain of command to "soften up" Iraqi inmates for interrogation. Among those who could go to prison is 21-year-old Army Private 1st Class Lynndie England, who has been photographed smiling and posing with naked Iraqi inmates.

"[I was] told to stand there, give the 'thumbs up', smile, stand behind all of the naked Iraqis in the pyramid [and] take a picture," she said.

The soon to be released Army report is one of seven military investigations looking into abuse at Abu Ghraib, and whether what went on there was limited to a few individuals, or a widespread practice.

During a Congressional hearing on the matter in May, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took full responsibility for what happened at Abu Ghraib, but rejected calls from some in Washington for him to resign.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; abughraibreport
Standard military investigation results - clear the officers, put the enlisted people in jail.
1 posted on 08/19/2004 1:26:21 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

This is exactly the "wrong" result, and it shows that the leadership is corrupt.


2 posted on 08/19/2004 1:29:12 PM PDT by RISU
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To: glorgau

May wanna fix title.


3 posted on 08/19/2004 1:30:24 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: glorgau

What about the AAC Brigadier in command?


4 posted on 08/19/2004 1:33:13 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: glorgau

I read this on the front page of the NYT this morning.

Except I didn't.


5 posted on 08/19/2004 1:38:56 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Wuh-Wuh)
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To: glorgau
If the soldiers took it upon themselves to do these things they are responsible. If there was negligence in oversight it should be punished too. But that doesn't excuse the soldiers' conduct. Unless they were encouraged or ordered to do these things, they are responsible. If they thought they had tacit permission from higher ups they wouldn't have waited until 3Am and posted lookouts.

These acts went way beyond "fun" into humiliation. No decent human being piles up naked men and takes pictures with a woman pointing at them. They did more to defeat us in this war than any division of the Republican Guard. Almost as much damage as the MSM.

6 posted on 08/19/2004 1:59:58 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: glorgau

Do you think it was Pentagon orders?


7 posted on 08/19/2004 2:03:56 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: glorgau

Sigh.

I guess we can expect ANOTHER month of Abu Ghraib headlines in the NYT. I thought they had gone away.

Expect the following retort: there's a cover-up, who's covering-up the cover-up, who authorized the purchase of dog collars, etc. More of the same.

The actual report of the investigation will be ignored.


8 posted on 08/19/2004 2:11:21 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I am an USAF Reservist, and I know we are trained on a regular repetitive basis on the Geneva Conviction. Even on a moral basis, you would not have talked me into doing this sort of things to any human being. I have dealt with many of the Soldiers and Marines, coming home as patients from SWA Down Range. They were upset at the negative media press this situation brought to them. It endangered there lives...how much blood is on the hands of these few thoughtless soldiers?? There fun is not so funny when people are attacking you as the enemy. Makes me wonder..
9 posted on 08/19/2004 2:33:32 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: marmar

I think it was done completely at low level. Maybe a junior officer in the mix. Oversight may have been lax but Not knowing and ordering are two different scenarios.


10 posted on 08/19/2004 2:39:38 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Not knowing and ordering are two different scenarios.

Not in the military. That part of the UCMJ is the same as a civilian's ignorance of the law not being a defense in a felony case. This low level officer crap is itself the cover up.

11 posted on 08/19/2004 2:45:41 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Kerry couldn't have gone to Sears in Cambodia Christmas day! They were closed!)
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To: JoeSixPack1

So you're saying everyone in the chain of command is guilty. The UCMJ sure has changed since 1976.


12 posted on 08/19/2004 2:48:29 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
No, supervisor with any common sense would have agreed to this. It took an attitude that they would not be caught to do what they did...and then to document it. It is a sheer sign of stupidity. I know many of the guys were tired of being out in the field..but if they had good supervisors and good support groups...they come back with a sense of unity with their "Brothers in Arms". I saw some close friendships formed because of what they have been through.
13 posted on 08/19/2004 3:01:03 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: marmar

I agree with you. Low level.


14 posted on 08/19/2004 3:02:35 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
So you're saying everyone in the chain of command is guilty.
To one degree or another everyone in the chain of command holds responsibility over their subordinates, that's why it's "military" vs. civilian, so the answer is Yes!

And what's changed? A sitting CG is exempt from charges because she didn't leave her office to simply give her area of responsibility a visual now and then because she passed off her responsibilities to civilian interrorgators? That's bull.

The question is to establish if laws were broken, then find the OIC and fix it. Everything else is politics and hysteria. Now pfc England and the rest also have their share of the UCMJ to uphold and didn't, so with all the blame to pass around the MSM has a tool to sell papers and burn all. But the female CG gets a pass. Wonderful. And the world is chasing e-2's.

Beam me up.

15 posted on 08/19/2004 3:11:00 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Kerry couldn't have gone to Sears in Cambodia Christmas day! They were closed!)
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To: JoeSixPack1
Sounds like you've seen a report I haven't seen. If She was derelict, she is guilty.
16 posted on 08/19/2004 4:34:21 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Conspiracy Guy, Secretary of Humor and Tomfoolery)
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