[prairiebreeze]

Actually I just heard O'Neill say that even if the President asked them to stop, they wouldn't. That even if the SwiftBoat efforts hurt the President "that's just too bad, we won't stop because we are going to get the truth out". Are you talking about the actual 527 not being formed until after Kerry had the official nomination? Because the SwiftBoat vets have been organized as a group for several years, what's more SwiftBoat Veterans for the Truth held a news conference in May 2004 which was only carried by C-Span and spiked as a story by the AP but came out publically with their charges against Kerry well in advance of the convention.

Prairie

[Bob]

My understanding is that SBVfT wasn't even discussed until kerry was well on his way to wrapping up the dem nomination. That would have been just before their initial May 2004 press conference.

There has been a Swift boats veterans' association (I don't know its official name.) for years but that's not the same as the SBVfT 527 organization.

I'll try to find their incorporation date or the date they registered as a 527.

[SuziQ]

The Swift Boats for Truth group formed after it became clear that John Kerry would be the nominee back during the primary.