Navy Veteran Van Odell Responds to Kerry

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[Reagan is King]

Good point blteague. Do you think maybe they got on board in the beginning just so they could be part of the excitement of the campaign, or do you think they were promised something in return if he won and never thought about all this stuff coming out? I'm not accusing them of anything, I just don't understand how their stories and opinions of Kerry can be totally opposite than almost every other sailor that knew him.

[faithincowboys]

Question: Since Kerry had a new citation made up for his Silver Star in 1986? Is it possible that Kerry or someone else altered Thurlow's Bronze Star citation to fit Kerry's story?

After all, one of Kerry's stooges is Admiral Crowe.

[cake_crumb]

"Time and again major stories and scandals have failed to penetrate, especially once he gets into details and he said/she said."

Then along came the left, led by Howie Dean, to proclaim the EEEEVEEEEELS of Rush Limbaugh and his vast, conservative talk radio conspiracy and the Republican controlled media (that would include CNN) and swing voters became what OTHER information was available. IMO, it caused them to turn on Rush out of curiosity and surf the web for news more. Hannity already had a diverse ideological listener base because of Fox's H&C.

Even without all that we're talking about easily SEVERAL million people, Vietnamese refugees, Vietnam veterans and their families, who were directly or indirectly injured by Kerry's VVAW antics. Kerry reopening those wounds was a baaaaaaaad idea....for Kerry. The word is getting out.

[prairiebreeze]

All boats commenced suppression fire in case enemy small arms fire ensued. None did.

OK, this makes sense.

Prairie

[cake_crumb]

"It is amazing how well prepared these Vets are for the liberal game plan! They seem to know what they're going to do before they do it and are dialed in with perfect responses"

Because GOOD leaders tend to be good tacticians.

[Pilsner]

I read this as report as explaining some of Rassman's comments. His point of view after Kerry dumped him in the drink was about six inches above water level. He was surprised if not shocked by the mine and Kerry's maneuver that dumped him in the water, and he heard a large amount of small arms fire. It is quite possible that he really though some of it was incoming,when in fact it was all outgoing. If so that makes him mistaken, not a liar.

[joebuck]

"One of Kerry's crew said that they had to turn around to avoid obstructions in the water (maybe like mines!), and that this was SOP."

This doesn't even pass the smell test. At least two other boats went through the same water Kerry would have had to go through to help their wounded buddies, and they didn't have any problem with obstructions. Heck, if that was his worry, Kerry could have just followed in the wake of the other boats.

[prairiebreeze]

I hope O'Neill eats Colmes lunch.

[cake_crumb]

"What's really galling is the statement he made to the Firefighter's Union today. He said he learned 30 years ago in combat that when attacked, you steer your boat right INTO the attack!!"

He also said he still has shrapnel in his leg...I woulda thought that rice would have dissolved by now.

[prairiebreeze]

And if $$$ starts going abroad for prescription drugs, what does sKerry think will happen to medical drug research bu American drug companies, FGS?!

Prairie

[cogitator]

If kerry weren't the nominee, we never would have heard of the Swiftees.

That's very likely true. So what you're saying is that they're only trying to work against Kerry's being elected, they aren't really trying to help President Bush.

I can accept that, even though anything that detracts from Kerry's campaign will indirectly aid Bush's campaign.

[Reagan is King]

Question: Since Kerry had a new citation made up for his Silver Star in 1986? Is it possible that Kerry or someone else altered Thurlow's Bronze Star citation to fit Kerry's story?

From what I understand today Thurlow has stated that Kerry wrote up Thurlow's Bronze Star recommendation to match Kerry's story. He stated that there was no enemy small arms fire and that if received his Bronze Star because of that reason then it's fraudulent. I'll try and find the link.

[faithincowboys]

Oh, cool. Unfotunately, that story ain't getting out...YET.

[ScottFromSpokane]

On FNC, Brit Hume and Lt. Col. Bill Cowan are talking about Kerry's citations with John Lehman's signature on them.

[prairiebreeze]

Actually I just heard O'Neill say that even if the President asked them to stop, they wouldn't. That even if the SwiftBoat efforts hurt the President "that's just too bad, we won't stop because we are going to get the truth out". Are you talking about the actual 527 not being formed until after Kerry had the official nomination? Because the SwiftBoat vets have been organized as a group for several years, what's more SwiftBoat Veterans for the Truth held a news conference in May 2004 which was only carried by C-Span and spiked as a story by the AP but came out publically with their charges against Kerry well in advance of the convention.

Prairie

[cake_crumb]

"(the Kerry representative backed out)"

Yep, cause Kerry and his campaign staff are going to take a night off, sit around in the ol chicken coop and get very drunk.

[gilliam]

and also probably way the special forces clerk thought there was a firefight.

[Reagan is King]

So what you're saying is that they're only trying to work against Kerry's being elected, they aren't really trying to help President Bush.

I heard O'Neill on the radio the other day and he said he, and many of the other Swiftee's, are Democrats but that he couldn't let that liar and phony Kerry become President without speaking up.

[gilliam]

They all came from the same after action report, which Kerry wrote.

[gilliam]

I agree