Posted on 08/19/2004 5:27:04 AM PDT by kattracks
His voice rising to a yell, Republican U.S. Senate nominee Alan Keyes told a bipartisan civic group Wednesday he "will not budge" from his belief that descendants of slaves should be exempted from income taxes to help heal the wounds of past discrimination and segregation.The former presidential candidate disdainfully brushed aside questions over whether his suggestion should apply to rich African Americans such as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey.
"Do you know how many Oprah Winfreys there might have been running around in the 1930s or in the 1920s or in the 19-teens that got nowhere because the doors were shut in their face?" Keyes thundered. "If you think that because I wear a conservative label, I have forgotten that history and am not mindful of that injustice -- then I will tell you now that you are wrong."
Keyes delivered his blistering defense at a luncheon of the City Club of Chicago, scolding fellow conservatives who challenged his proposal and evoking the struggle of his African-American parents, saying they had talent and "hearts and spirit and strength and faith."
"Why didn't they get to a point where they could stand on this platform?" Keyes aked.
Vying against Democrat Barack Obama, Keyes drew heat from conservatives earlier this week when he proposed exempting descendants of slaves from income taxes for a generation or two, a view he insists "involves a traditionally Republican, conservative and market-oriented approach."
On Wednesday, Keyes ridiculed the fuss over his position, saying it is simply a tax break, something "Republicans and my conservative brethren" don't object to when applied to a "wealthy corporation."
Conservative activist Jack Roeser met with Keyes for what Roeser called "a long argument and an intense one" over the issue before the speech. A Barrington businessman, Roeser said he still is not sold on Keyes' reparations proposal, but still plans to support him anyway. "I will tell my friends that this is a good man, and we should support him."
"House Leadership Denny Hastert (R-IL) wholeheartidly endorses Amb. Keyes?" I am sure he did. I did back a few years ago too. Alan was a great ambassador because he was kept by R Reagan, mostly OUT of these kind of DOMESTIC issues... Reagan was a smart enough guy to send him to the embassy service... where he couldn't "loose canon" the party or even seriously hurt himself.
not after this plan. pal.
mostly, you can expect the republican leadership will all just quietly allow alan to go on to meet his polical destiny and thank him for his service... alan has moved to the left of buchanan.
barring divine intervention or an epiphany of biblical proportions, this is fork time. the caserole is done cooked.
gaining a senate seat WOULD have been nice.
But that aint gonna happen with fiscal conservatives, white guys from south illinois, hearing him scream for racial reparations from the children and grandsons of the guys who fought slavery in the south...
alan has lost his mind if he thinks he can win by driving them away with calls for reparations and race based tax cuts for blacks...
Cult fervor.
Their Jimjones figure/Taliban head has been "attacked" (i.e., criticized by "infidels"), so they are up in arms.
They are increasing the pitch and fervor of their rage, screeching over and over "jim wants you to shut up" type messages, although I am unaware of Jim having appointed these screechhawks his personal representative, nor for that matter do their incessantly spammed warnings of a threat that was pulled "moments later" (or someuch) carry much weight some 700 posts into a day(+?)-long thread. The more they screech it, the more hollow it rings.
And the more hollow it rings, the more it's laughed at and disregarded -- and, the more they're ignored, the angrier they get, and the more they up the ante.
Which, strangely enough, reminds me of their Prophet's apparent MO.
(note for the record i don't mean YOU when I say "anti-keyes crowd" I take on good faith your claim to have been a supporter up until now)
My posting history is an open book.
Then keep on reading, because it is apparent that you've been skimming, if you're really telling the truth when you say you haven't seen it. It has indeed been presented as a good thing, and more than once.
No, I'm not going to cite you chapter and verse, because you're the one making the outlandish claim, and anyone who's been READING the thread knows you're WAY offbase with it. My suggestion? READ before posting -- and then post a retraction when you realize you've come up with a boner like that.
Claiming that the "Taliban" (gotta say, you aren't sounding much like a guy who just quit keyes yesterday at this point)
Frankly, my dear (you can guess what comes next).
...isn't claiming that it's a good plan, at MOST they are disputing the characterization of it as "Marxist."
Wrong, as I pointed out above.
they are clearly not calling it a GOOD plan.
*yawn*
You're mistaken.
Bye now. Do get back with us after you've READ THE THREAD.
That had to leave a mark.
I hope he realizes that the Aliban is on the warpath, and that pointing out the obvious, as he did, will only infuriate them further.
At the rate the Disciples are raising the ante, I'd say we're about two or three raging screeds away from the point where anyone Speaking Ill of the Prophet will have to watch out for the fatwas.
alan has lost his mind if he thinks he can win by driving them away
Sadly, his followers seem to be taking the opposite tack. The more their anger is rejected, the angrier they get, the more they rant, rage, threaten, and insult their critics.
I'm starting to wonder if they really don't care about getting votes at all, and are simply looking for the most dramatic "go down in a blaze of glory" defeat imaginable, a la that lunatic holed up in the mosque in Iraq.
After that, they can then sit and scream about how it was all OUR fault, for "rejecting the message" blah blah blah blah.
He can't build, so he's gonna destroy?
Brilliant tactic.
Straight out of the communist manifesto, just like his wealth redistribution "let's have a REAL class warfare" exercise.
How could I have been so STUPID as to support this man for so many years?
Why didn't I see this coming?
I'll wait till the pie has been baked to taste of it...did you know that Hastert has a new book out? Did you hear what he said about abolishing the IRS/IRC? It has been trial ballooned up by surrogates of the Admin. as "THE DOMESTIC CENTERPIECE" of the 2nd Bush term. Your thoughts?
And that one man will be Obama.
That much was never in question.
Now that we've established that much, who in his right mind wants to soil his own reputation by smearing it with "I supported Alan 'marxist-racist-redistributionist' Keyes"?
I can't think of any reason to support this loser.
If there was some HONOR involved, it would be a different thing.
But to go to the mat to back a bomb-thrower like that?
No thanks, no way, ain't gonna happen.
Interesting idea, get African Americans to support tax cuts. Even if this doesn't fly you have an entire group of solid Democrats supporting the idea of lowering taxes.
You must have a PhD in politics judging by how long it took for someone to state the obvious in such an astute and succinct manner...bravo good Casloy. Cigar? lol
Seriously, spot on...
I said earlier that I'm wondering if Prophet Alan read Heinlein's "Farnham's Freehold" and thought it sounded like a GOOD idea.
None of the Disciples must have had clue one about what I meant, or else my monitor would be a smoking heap by now. ;)
Maybe now I should start calling Alan "Joe". Heheheheheh...
On second thought, I'd have to change my own screen name, lest it confuse those rocket scientists. :(
Maybe I should just start calling them "Duke".
LMAO!
you know my thoughts on ending the irs.
go for it.
alan's plan presupposes the current tax structure being in place to differentiate and perpetuate taxes on us whites for the next two generations of blacks.
I do not believe for one second that he is saying do away with taxes for everybody with his race based tax cut over a seventy year period. I do hope he tries to spin it that way though...
it might get some fiscons back on board in Illinois.
No you don't! ;)
Next, free lobster for black people, to get them to support the seafood industry.
And then free medical services, to get them health-minded.
Then...
Now I know why the USA never went back to the moon. All our rocket scientists went into the social "sciences".
I believe the word is "brilliant". Or is it "genius"?
You don't know Alan Keyes' HISTORIC and UNWAVERING passion to end the enslavement of Americans by our government via the IRS/IRC and know what's going on here?
In the micro AND the macro?
I always gave you more credit in my mental file...he's growing an argument through an abstract process and I'm willing to see it through...
I mean, what's the worst case?
Bush asked him to fall on the sword for Bush as a 'Reparations' test balloon before the RNC?
Now that would be something that would really be a GOP bummer, wouldn't it?
No, I believe we are FINALLY going to win our freedom from IRS tyranny with Bush, which is part of 5 Major Reasons I'm A Bush Man...
I'll let it play out - and support Alan in beating the Communist crypto-Muhammadan Infanticidical DemocRAT Obamaosama...hey, I saw first hand a RAVING LUNATIC LIBERAL POPULIST POS named Jesse Ventewra with NO Party apparatus to work with.
Not totally the same, not totally different --- I'll take Alan or Obama in the U.S. Senate every DAMN day of the week...what about you R_P2??
I believe the word is "brilliant". Or is it "genius"?
>>>
You believe or you know?? Which is it?
Alan OVER Obama....
not OR
Yeah, and you're really making it obvious why BLACKS vote 90% for RATS...good work...how do you like your Kerry, with a white or red French wine?
You don't know Alan Keyes' HISTORIC and UNWAVERING passion to end the enslavement of Americans by our government via the IRS/IRC and know what's going on here?
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