Posted on 08/19/2004 5:27:04 AM PDT by kattracks
His voice rising to a yell, Republican U.S. Senate nominee Alan Keyes told a bipartisan civic group Wednesday he "will not budge" from his belief that descendants of slaves should be exempted from income taxes to help heal the wounds of past discrimination and segregation.The former presidential candidate disdainfully brushed aside questions over whether his suggestion should apply to rich African Americans such as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey.
"Do you know how many Oprah Winfreys there might have been running around in the 1930s or in the 1920s or in the 19-teens that got nowhere because the doors were shut in their face?" Keyes thundered. "If you think that because I wear a conservative label, I have forgotten that history and am not mindful of that injustice -- then I will tell you now that you are wrong."
Keyes delivered his blistering defense at a luncheon of the City Club of Chicago, scolding fellow conservatives who challenged his proposal and evoking the struggle of his African-American parents, saying they had talent and "hearts and spirit and strength and faith."
"Why didn't they get to a point where they could stand on this platform?" Keyes aked.
Vying against Democrat Barack Obama, Keyes drew heat from conservatives earlier this week when he proposed exempting descendants of slaves from income taxes for a generation or two, a view he insists "involves a traditionally Republican, conservative and market-oriented approach."
On Wednesday, Keyes ridiculed the fuss over his position, saying it is simply a tax break, something "Republicans and my conservative brethren" don't object to when applied to a "wealthy corporation."
Conservative activist Jack Roeser met with Keyes for what Roeser called "a long argument and an intense one" over the issue before the speech. A Barrington businessman, Roeser said he still is not sold on Keyes' reparations proposal, but still plans to support him anyway. "I will tell my friends that this is a good man, and we should support him."
Ladies, let me help you with some of this. It is indeed popular for some Freepers to call people traitors, and often the accusees are Democrats, and it is disgusting. But I don't think Keyes has popped up in the acussee category in that department. But some Freepers have called Keyes nuts. I know one of them quite well. He is a lawyer with an interest in economics.
You are the missing lady. :)
Thanks for referring to me as a lady!
How are you?
Just fine thanks. Life is grand for me at the moment.
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Grand?
That's wonderful to know.
I am happy to hear that.
Don't you think how other people (some just tendentious types, albeit entertaining) characterize Bush's proposal is a bit irrelevant? Luis wants you to find where Bush used the "A" word. If you had said that you think what Bush advocated is the functional equivalent of amnesty in practice because, and explained the because, then Luis would not be able to land a glove on you. But you didn't, and he did. Cheers.
You really think that would deter Luis? Good cheer to you but I've been 'round with Luis before and watched him go 'round with countless others. I am just glad I didn't have a mouth full of Pepsi when I read your post. ; )
You are speaking of the sources of the articles? Human Events. Washington Times. FOX news. The American Conservative. Atlanta-Journal Constitution. Intellectual Conservative. The New American.
There are also a few less conservative publications represented as well ... but there are also a ream more articles I could have linked. My fingers got tired of clicking.
That is what I was referring too. Some are tendentious, some are entertaining, and some are both. I happen to think Bush's plan was close to the functional equivalent of amnesty in practice myself. But folks are nice to Torie. :)
There is either a full moon moon tonight or Bush just gave amnesty under Executive Order to free everyone in a psych ward and equip them with a computer and 'Net access...
I might have to try that. .......... Nahhhhhhhh.
YAAFW and I can prove it...
They really are something else, aren't they.
I watched you mop up the floor with that dink, and what does he do? Spits at you and declares victory.
CLASSICAL Monty Python "Black Knight" pathology if ever I've seen it.
You hit the nail on the head when you described the Keybots as "no wonder you are never going to win. abrasive, stubborn and wrong."
Abrasive, stubborn, and wrong -- with a heavy emphasis on "abrasive", if this thread is any indicator.
And the classical hallmark of "stubborn" combined "wrong" is their congenital inability to refrain from trying to beat people into agreement.
I don't know if Saint Alan Himself belives -- like his disciples -- that you can insult people into agreement, or attack them until the submit, and thereby gain their votes, but it hardly matters, because if that's the sort of follower he leads, the end result is a no-brainer.
As I think about it, his drones here are operating precisely like a taliban -- the "infidels" must be silenced, destroyed, or, beaten into submission.
Who ever thought it would come to this? The followers (I can't honestly use the word "supporters" anymore) of Alan Keyes, mounting a jihad against anyone who would dare to *disagree* with their prophet. Good grief.
And make no mistake, that's exactly what he's become -- their prophet -- because we are in the realm of "it's right, it's true, and it's good, because Alan says is it".
Followers, disciples... the Cult of Alan Keyes.
*shudder*
They will of course keep it up, and raise the ante. And, when it all fails for them, they will naturally blame everyone *else* -- for "racism" and so forth.
Laughable, yes -- especially given Keyes' stumping FOR an explicitly racist proposal. But, I expect to see the accusations thrown nonetheless, after he loses the election in a landslide. Maybe even before that, when it becomes obvious that he's headed to total defeat.
So surreal. A "conservative leader" calling for unadulterated marxist redistributionism, and his deluded followers taking up the pitchfork and torch, raging at his critics, in a mad jihad of "purity".
If this was fiction, it wouldn't sell. It's THAT far out.
I think the Alan Keyes taliban is on the warpath.
They are going to shout down every infidel, and bash everyone into submission, until one and all bow down before their prophet Keyes and acknowledge that Marxist redistributionist racism is GOOD, because thus has their Prophet spoken.
And if that doesn't work, they will appoint themselves hallway monitors and shriek "JIM WANTS YOU TO SHUT UP!"
Someone must be making a bloody fortune selling LSD, is all I can figure.
Except the second of those will never happen. I confess I have no idea what keyes intentions are, but what it works out to is that this idea illustrates a fundamental truth that the American black community and other liberals needs to hear at every turn - without telling them directly but rather letting them find it out themselves:
Exempted from taxes? Great! But wait, do we actually PAY any taxes?
Cutting income taxes is an incentive to wealth building for blacks? Great! But then, doesn't that mean it is for everyone?
So forth and so on...it's like an entire economics course wrapped up in one thesis. The more you deconstruct it, the more lessons libs need to learn pop out of it.
In the end, tthose lessons will be ignored and the plan won't b enacted - or the lessons will be applied and the snowball of income tax reformabolition will overwhelm this idea.
Either way - it's never going to be enacted and will, most likely, be a quaint anacranisim by this time next year.
Medved, closing his show: "Irresponsible", "out there", and "dangerous".
That had to leave a mark.
How long will the GOP last as a Party if the black and hispanic vote keeps expanding away from morals and responsibility? The GOP has expanded by moving to the left to accomodate, and where has THAT gotten America? I think this whole debate and exposure for Alan is genius, when genius was sorely needed in short order...
The prize he REALLY wants... to sit in Reagan's Chair.
I think he may have met his Waterloo... by engaging in his now famous, illinois temper tantrum, called 'race based wealth redistrubution" system of his. It's just a play on words... you don't have to click it.
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