[gubamyster]

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[asmith92008]

Why is the headline not "Illegals face deportation in Crackdown?" Taking away their licenses is nice but why are they in this country when they have no right?

[DLfromthedesert]

That person whose number was used by so many people may have a much better retirement than he thought.

[primeval patriot]

And the outcry grew as immigrant advocates learned of cases in which bewildered immigrants who responded in person to motor vehicle offices had their licenses confiscated on the spot for lack of a Social Security number.

They should have been arrested on the spot.

[ApesForEvolution]

I tried, but I can't read more than 1 P of the NYT and want to throw my laptop out the window...Communist freaking bastards.

[texastoo]

It looks like this reporter forgot to interview the victims who had their social security numbers stolen from them by these thieves. I imagine they have some stories to tell.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

suspend the licenses of drivers whose Social Security numbers did not match federal records

This December the federal government is suppose to have its social security number validation system, SSNVS, up and running on-line.

Employers will have no excuse. Citizens will be able to ask businesses, did you validate your employees' SSNs? Is it legal for them to work in the U.S.? Are they violating ID fraud laws, as well as immigration laws, with their stolen / phony SSNs?

State agencies will be able to make instant validations, also.

It's been 18 years in the making (since the 1986 immigration "reform" law).

ILLEGAL alien advocates are "troubled." Look for another 18 years of delays -- but if it actually is implemented then we citizens will be able to express our opinions where it counts, in the pocket book.

[Once-Ler]

But Gloria, a Colombian woman who has lived in Queens since 1991, said she had not driven since the January day when her license was confiscated at the Whitestone motor vehicle office. She had been a licensed driver for 11 years, she said, selling Mary Kay cosmetics from her car to help support her daughter, an American citizen by birth, while working weekends as a baby-sitter for a family of lawyers living on Sutton Place in Manhattan.

Like many immigrants in what some call a gray zone of legality, she has a petition for a green card pending, sponsored by her 76-year-old mother, now a lawful permanent resident. But under present immigration rules and backlogs, family sponsorship can take many years to bridge the gap between citizens and unlawful immigrants in the same family.

What a proud day for America.

"Humans are humans. We all wish for a better life for our families and children. The blood that has soaked into the earth of foreign lands while defending our freedom is all of one color. We are unique...we are a country founded on immigration. We are a country of immigrants. That is what makes us strong. That is what allows us to move forward. This is the American way." - Ronald Reagan

"Can we doubt that only a Divine Providence placed this land, this island of freedom, here as a refuge for all those people in the world who yearn to breathe freely: Jews and Christians enduring persecution behind the Iron Curtain, the boat people of Southeast Asia, of Cuba and Haiti, the victims of drought and famine in Africa, the freedom fighters of Afghanistan and our own countrymen held in savage captivity." - Reagan at the 1980 Republican convention

"Our whole country is made up of people who came here from someplace else, either the individuals themselves or, like myself -- in my case it was grandparents, others it's their parents -- but we represent the cultures and the diversity of the whole world. And we've come together in what some people called a melting pot and created a whole new breed of human being called an American. And I have to say, I think America's great success in the world has been the result of this diversity and this understanding and coming together of such diverse peoples. And I just have to say that our Hispanic Americans -- their contribution to America is not surpassed by that of any other people. They have brought a great warmth, and they have brought great traditions of family. In our wars, they have brought great service and great heroism and loyalty to this country. And all I would like to say to them is, God bless them all, and vaya con Dios." - Reagan September 13, 1985

“I’ve spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don’t know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get there. That’s how I saw it, and see it still.” Farewell Address to the Nation, January 11, 1989

[TheLion]

In further news, critics at the DNC fear these possible illegal immigrants will not be able to drive to the polls on election day.

[sweetliberty]

"officials at the State Department of Motor Vehicles have begun a crackdown on license fraud that will take away the driver's licenses of as many as 200,000 immigrants who cannot prove that they are here legally."

I'll believe it when I see it.

"State officials say 250,000 licenses are in line to be suspended"

So what's the hold up?

"But critics say the enforcement will fall mainly on illegal immigrants who are hard-working members of society..."

But critics say the enforcement will fall mainly on ILLEGAL immigrants...

"- and to local D.M.V. clerks with no understanding of complicated immigration laws."

Illegal = AGAINST the LAW! What is so d**n complicated about that?

"It's actually harmful to national security to deny licenses to people on the basis of immigration status."

Not if you deport them.

"typically ran $20,000 to $25,000 a year"

Wages no American will work for , huh?

Okay, I get it. This is another one of those stories where we are supposed to feel sorry for the illegals. I have a very hard time working up a whole lot of sympathy for those who circumvent our laws and take our jobs and our resources and who cheat OUR children and then when they get in trouble for it, we're supposed to make the trouble go away. I do feel a little sorry for the children born to these irresponsible lawbreakers. It isn't their fault and it's too bad that their lives are disrupted by their parents lack of thought and consideration for them. But it's a matter of priorities. We need to take care of own before we try to take care of the rest of the world.

[William Terrell]

You don't have to read this article. All you have to do is watch a cow drop a pile in winter and watch it steam in the cold air to get the same experience.

[CaptainK]

I have a relative whose license was held up for a year by the state of NY because he had dropped the word junior from his business documents. Because junior was on his birth certificate, but not on any other piece of ID, DMV refused to grant him a license. It took the involvement of a state senator to unravel the red-tape.

Who knew that a fake SS card would have been the speedy answer to his problems.

[Libertina]

Still, Luis said, there is no going back. In Ecuador, he and his wife were so desperate for work to support their children that they left them behind and walked much of the way to the United States.

FReepers, illegal immigration tears our nation apart, and tears illgal aliens families and marriages apart. No good comes from bad actions. Sooner or later they will need to get their home countries under control, (same as we do) and the sooner they begin - the better. For us; ditto.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Please send a polite email to the NYT's public editor and suggest they help Nina Bernstein improve her reporting skills:

1. These aren't "immigrants," they're illegal immigrants.

2. Why was this written from a pro-illegal immigration perspective?

3. Why did she get an interview with Margaret Stock, but not with, for instance, one of the Florida sheriffs who helped stop Jeb Bush's plan ( http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/001210.html ) or with the Commisioner of Minnesota's Department of Public Safety ( http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/000717.html )

4. Why didn't Nina Bernstein find one of those people whose SSNs had been used and present a sympathetic portrait of them?

5. Check out another one of Nina's magnum opies: "From Immigrants, Stories Of Scrutiny, and Struggle" http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=3744

That older story contains the following: "longtime immigrant workers who cannot prove that they are working legally"

This story contains this: "200,000 immigrants who cannot prove that they are here legally"

[dennisw]

Excellent!!!! The country club Republicans love this new class of imported serfs, their cheap labor. So let's keep them serfs.

[jnarcus]

How I wish that the CAlifornia DMV would start doing that...ILLEGAL ALIENS should all be sent home They drive down wages, the use up public services, they inc rease the crfime rates and the generally ruin any place the go to...Send em back to Mexico or where ever they come from...Let them build up their own country no tear ours down

[azhenfud]

"But critics say the enforcement will fall mainly on illegal immigrants who are hard-working members of society - and to local D.M.V. clerks with no understanding of complicated immigration laws."

DUH?
Illegal = lawbreaker, SSI# not match = fraud, no complication for D.M.V. "clerks" - just use of common sense.

[swampfox98]

"I feel humiliated because I think there's no reason to take it from me," she said. "I was a good driver; I never got a ticket for a red light or passed a stop sign. I always had insurance."

I feel humiliated too. Humiliated that the traitorous politicians in America has sold us down the river to illegal immigrants, and have created this hell hole of a country for our citizen to live in.

[NYCVirago]

"Nobody has considered the bureaucratic nightmare that they're creating," said Margaret Stock, an associate professor of national security law at the United States Military Academy at West Point, who is writing a paper on the driver's license issue. "It's actually harmful to national security to deny licenses to people on the basis of immigration status." Ms. Stock, who is also a lieutenant colonel in the military police of the Army Reserves, said there was a better chance of tracking a terrorist with a driver's license than one without.

It's quite frightening that this moron is teaching at West Point. She does understand that terrorists use fake names and IDs, right?

[ContraryMary]

I'm all for immigration. After all, most us of have ancestors who were immigrants. However, we shouldn't make it easy for those who are here illegally. There are some privileges they should be denied.