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To: Southack

My point is (sorry it wasn't clear), once we win and leave, then what?

In Germany and Japan after WW2, we had to occupy even though we had confidence that the better instincts of those societies would eventually take over.

In Iraq, the same.

In Iran, we would have to occupy, even (maybe especially) after a convincing, crushing victory, which of course I know we are capable of. I'm not at all convinced that it wouldn't turn into an Islamist state again the minute we left. Of course it wouldn't have nuke capability, which is progress, but it could regrow the terrorism pretty quickly.

In hindsight, this is another reason we should have marched to Baghdad in 1991, the UN be damned. Iran might have mellowed or become more vulnerable to revolution or even democratization within as Iraq became more successful, and would not have been the PITA it is now in trying to keep Iraq from being successful. The Mullahs have had 13 more years to solidify their grip. As usual, the longer you wait, the worse it gets.


39 posted on 08/17/2004 10:25:41 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies; wretchard; section9; Travis McGee; Nick Danger; blam; Cannoneer No. 4; Rokke; ...
"My point is (sorry it wasn't clear), once we win and leave, then what? In Germany and Japan after WW2, we had to occupy even though we had confidence that the better instincts of those societies would eventually take over."

I'm trying to make a larger point to you: occupation isn't the only solution.

Occupation is our *preferred* solution, but it isn't our only option.

If you view our military in terms of how many nations we can forcibly occupy, you'll quickly discover that our military is stretched thin.

But that's a false picture.

We don't have to occupy a conquered nation. We don't have to let any subjugated leaders live free from imprisonment in any conquered country, and we can *always* reconquer any nation that acts up again after we've left.

In other words, we can view the military situation from the perspective of how many nations can we successfully "invade and conquer", rather than "invade and occupy".

And from that perspective, we aren't stretched thin at all. Our military can roll through nation after nation. Technically, no one can stop us from coming and going.

So while the traditional view that we must occupy every nation that we conquer is certainly our *preferred* solution, we aren't limited to that theory of operations alone.

There is another option. We can invade, conquer, leave, and re-invade if necessary. This option isn't preferred because it is the bloodier option. It is heavy-handed.

But that doesn't mean that it is improbable or non-feasible.

Ergo, if we need to conquer more nations, we can do so by applying the above theory of "invade, leave, and re-invade if needed" instead of the more traditional "invade once and occupy forever" theory.

If we need to be heavy-handed, we can technically seize and control the resources that go to and from any conquered nation, exacting an extortion on their populations to force some level of civilized compliance upon their leadership when we leave. We can control all of their population and supply movements on the seas and in the air. We can fence in entire cities and control all movement, building, and progress...if need be. Exerting control can be done without a physical occupation, too. If we want world shipping to follow our daily approval, then we *can* enforce that without an occupation. Ditto for air travel, trains, barges, and buses. We can shut down and control all TV, radio, internet, and most "national" newspapers without an occupation.

None of these heavy-handed measures are preferred, of course. But you can't say that we are stretched thin when you consider what we *can* do without further occupations. We can shut global travel, communications, and movement off, confining everyone inside their own borders, save for a small amount of foot traffic, if the situation were so dire as to demand such measures.

We can invade and conquer or obliterate *any* patch of ground and own *every* cubic foot of the world's oceans. We can control all airwaves and wire communications between borders. We can control all cross-border movement save for some foot traffic, all without further occupations.

So we can not consider "occupations" to be mandatory. Occupations are preferred and humane, but that's not mandatory.

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47 posted on 08/18/2004 9:41:46 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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