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SEAL Teams to Cambodia?
One Hand Clapping ^ | 16 August 2004 | Donald Sensing

Posted on 08/17/2004 10:34:48 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

The Kerry in Cambodia fairy tale continues to unravel. I've already reported that Kerry's own accounts of Christmas 1968 in Cambodia contradict each other. Tony Snow wrote,

Kerry's account of this list has shifted and changed constantly over the last 35 years. Some versions have him spending the day in Cambodia, dropping off spies. Others have him in a barracks, 55 miles from the Cambodian border, scribbling entries into his diary. [Kerry advocate Jim] Hurley offered a hybrid today, saying Kerry was ordered onto the water Christmas day, made his way to the Cambodian border, endured three separate engagements with the enemy, and returned home. I count at least six distinct versions of Kerry's whereabouts on that day... .
Now Kerry's authorized biographer, who previously pinned Kerry 50-plus miles from Cambodia on Christmas, in Sa Dec, Vietnam, tells the UK Telegraph,
Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 [that is, not at Christmas - DS] on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys.
Problem is, a Vietnam SEAL member says,
SEALs typically used the Medium SEAL Support Craft (MSSC) or the LSSC. My dad's platoon, had one of each assigned. These boats were designed by SEALs and specially built for the Teams to use on clandestine riverine insertions at night of usually no more than 8 operators. Swift boats operated in groups as independent entities, and not as insertion/extraction platforms for small units. ...

Waterborne infiltrations done illegally into a "neutral" country if performed would be done by small groups of operators (less than 8), at night, in a small tributary, by a boat with a very shallow draft and jacuzzi, not propeller drive. To do otherwise, would be ridiculous. ...
He also points out that SEALs were so fanatic about security that for them to go outside special operations channels for transportation would have been "extremely unlikely to the point of absurdity."

The former SEAL also relates that he doesn't know of anyone "inserted anywhere by a Swift boat during Vietnam. It just wasn't done. It wasn't something SEALs wanted, and it wasn't something Swifties did." (hat tip: Hugh Hewitt)

All it would take to settle this is for a single SEAL, Green Beret or CIA operator from one of Kerry's missions to come forward and confirm Kerry's account. Or someone with first-hand, contemporaneous knowledge of them. Or a record of the orders sending a team into the country. But even Kerry's own crew members deny they were ever in Cambodia.

Kathleen Parker writes,
If Kerry didn't fabricate, he exaggerated. Or misspoke. Or got confused. Or something. But whatever the differences among versions, the story is part of a larger narrative that may matter more than the details.
And what matters is whether he can be trusted with the safety of the Republic. Nothing about the way Kerry has used this phony story to advance himself, or the way he and his organization have bungled addressing it now, lead me to answer the question affirmatively.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christmasincambodia; kerry; kerrycambodia; kerrylies; morekerrylies
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Lando

1 posted on 08/17/2004 10:34:49 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

I've said it before....the man lies and can't be trusted. Period.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 10:37:05 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: nuconvert

My understanding is that only seals were used in
Cambodia at that time. Take it with a grain of salt...


3 posted on 08/17/2004 10:38:29 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman
if they were they had their own crews and their own stealthy boats. they wouldn't run up to John Kerry's boat, "Hey newbie, we're conducting a covert mission for the CIA - can you take us across the guarded border crossing to Cambodia? and, on the way, we need to drop off more arms for the rebels"


4 posted on 08/17/2004 10:40:49 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Lando Lincoln

I guess that JFK's 8 mm tourist and action re-enactment moviecam was out of film during Christmas, 1968.


5 posted on 08/17/2004 10:42:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Lando Lincoln

Rambo eruption BTT


6 posted on 08/17/2004 10:43:34 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Kerry is having Rambo eruptions.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
You guys are too hard on the poor guy. Maybe he used a Seal Dingy . .
7 posted on 08/17/2004 10:43:43 AM PDT by Cadet Happy
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To: Lando Lincoln

It's *John* Hurley (not "Jim" as reported above) who is the Kerry fixer and he was the very first out of the box on the Cambodian story, appearing on Fox when the Kerry Kamp finally gathered their wits from the topic being raised.

John Hurley said right then that, no, Kerry concedes he was not in Cambodia on Christmas Eve (as if this cleared the matter up, which is does not), but, Hurley went on, Kerry was there "later" in conjunction with the Navy SEALS.

I posted it immediately. For sure it was John Hurley who first told this revised version, not Brinkley. Brinkley later was brought on board, rumors say (we'll see if Brinkley finds partisanship more compelling than truth and if he proceeds to put pen to paper and write the piece Drudge reported was in the works).


8 posted on 08/17/2004 10:47:56 AM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: Lando Lincoln

Kerry is a complex multi-diminsional metrosexual. He may have been in Cambodia at the same time he was 50 miles away.


9 posted on 08/17/2004 10:48:24 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: fooman

I'm wondering if he and Valerie Plame worked undercover together? The New Avengers?


10 posted on 08/17/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Here is the proof! Kerry in Cambodia. Wearing CIA hat.

Ex-CIA and ex-Seals have come out and said Kerry was there:

Ex-CIA AGENT: "I remember Kerry. He was one tough SOB. I saw him drink a martini without an olive! What a guy!"

Ex-SEAL: "We were all pu$$ies compared to Kerry! I personally saw him wear an olive green t-shirt with blue pants! I remember in one nighttime encursion deep into Laos or Miami or somewhere super-secret, Kerry had on white socks! Crew socks! Gads he was tough!"

Ex-CIA AGENT #2: "Kerry saved my life! I remember it like it was yesterday! I was getting into the boat and almost lost my balance! If Kerry had been on the boat and had already had the engine running and had already left I could have fell in the water and drowned, or worse!"

11 posted on 08/17/2004 10:55:05 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
One needs a computer flowchart to keep up with differing versions of Kerry's Christmas Story [as in telling a lie].

If he tries one version, other elements in other versions show up as lies. If he tries another version, it makes other versions out to be lies.

The Kerry campaign can't reconcile the Christmas story, which Kerry has repeated upwards of 50 times.

The purpose of the Christmas story was to disparage Nixon for sending troops in Cambodia.

The timeline just can't be made to fit one scenario without making others out to be lies.

The quintessential 'o what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive'.
12 posted on 08/17/2004 10:55:43 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
'nuff said:
All it would take to settle this is for a single SEAL, Green Beret or CIA operator from one of Kerry's missions to come forward and confirm Kerry's account. Or someone with first-hand, contemporaneous knowledge of them. Or a record of the orders sending a team into the country. But even Kerry's own crew members deny they were ever in Cambodia.

13 posted on 08/17/2004 11:22:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Lando Lincoln

The Kerry stories continue to grow legs and are kicking the crap out of him. By the time the dust is settled, Kerry will regret that he made his Vietnam experience the centerpiece of his candidacy.

By the same token, when you have done nothing in the 30+ years since but chase rich widows and marry your money, Vietnam was all he had and, as it turns out, that was more smoke and mirrors than "honorable service".


14 posted on 08/17/2004 11:24:35 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: isthisnickcool
This sounds so much like Dick Clarke extolling Clinton's terror fighting prowess. What a tool!
15 posted on 08/17/2004 11:26:31 AM PDT by farsighted
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To: Always Right

No, the complex multi-dimensional, multi-personna metrosexual, John Kerry stayed behind, Bob Kerrey went into Cambodia, some say he was on a hamster rescue mission disguised as bunny.


16 posted on 08/17/2004 11:28:48 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Lando Lincoln
"This just in.....John Kerry now remembers he visited a zoo in Cambodia that had seals

.......but not at Christmas."

17 posted on 08/17/2004 11:31:12 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Lando Lincoln
In this episode of hanoi john's most excellent adventures in Cambodia he's gun running to the anti-commies.
18 posted on 08/17/2004 11:33:05 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: GailA

i realize how funny this all is. Has it made leno or letterman yet?


19 posted on 08/17/2004 11:47:54 AM PDT by genghis
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To: DainBramage

No no! The version I heard was that the operation was so secret that all records of it are still SEALed.


20 posted on 08/17/2004 11:51:09 AM PDT by sargunner
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