[Valin]

How about an all expense paid vacation to Ft. Levenworth Ks.?

[gr8eman]

Not Possible! Poor leadership is not a Court Martial offense. Anyone who really believes that the OIC's gave orders for the things the prison "guards" did does not understand how the Army works (or doesn't work)! The fact that this all came about speaks volumes for that lack of leadership. You would not see this happen in the AF or Marines, for sure. Not sure about Navy!

It may be good fodder for the Bush haters and TinFoil hatters, but butress this with what happened to the incident where the tropps were driving around in the desert at night and got ambushed and taken hostage and one should not need first-hand knowledge of how lacking the Army's leadership is to conclude the same! It's funny that no one asked who was in charge of that outfit!

[gr8eman]

Furthermore...I smell a hint of ignorance in the air worse than my bad spelling on this thread. I can clarify that I was in Baghdad and went there with a certain Armored division and the idea that people in that situation sat down and orchestrated all of the things that transpired defies reality and common sense. Without proper guidlines and discipline Abu Grab is what you get in a foreign and hostile environment. This is not rocket science folks...neither is the fact that people will try to make the rhetorical leap that it was all orchestrated by Rumsfeld and Bush...yeah sure...they were sitting around the White House one day and being bored because they had nothing else to do they cooked up a sinister plot to put underwear on some zipper's head!

Pathetic!