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Keyes has plans for reparations
Chicago Tribune ^ | 8/17/04 | Allison Benedikt and David Mendell

Posted on 08/17/2004 5:58:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

One day after their first meeting, U.S. Senate hopefuls Barack Obama and Alan Keyes were back on the campaign trail again Monday.

Speaking at a news conference at the Hotel InterContinental in Chicago, Republican Keyes added to his now familiar talking points his stance on slavery reparations.

Prompted by a reporter's question, Keyes gave a brief tutorial on Roman history and said that in regard to reparations for slavery, the U.S. should do what the Romans did: "When a city had been devastated [in the Roman empire], for a certain length of time--a generation or two--they exempted the damaged city from taxation."

Keyes proposed that for a generation or two, African-Americans of slave heritage should be exempted from federal taxes--federal because slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment." In calling for the tax relief, Keyes appeared to be reaching out to capture the black vote, something that may prove difficult to do, particularly after his unwelcome reception at the Bud Billiken Day Parade Saturday...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: apologistsforkeyes; atotalnutcase; flipflopalan; keyes; panderalan; pullsracecardagain; reparations; solomonsplitlibbaby; taxwhitesonly
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To: Rutles4Ever
Nice! Before everyone gets all up-in-arms over the word "reparations", think about how a proposal like this would absolutely hogtie the Kennedy-left. What??? A TAX-CUT!??? FOR MINORITIES!!????

But, I thought Democrats didn't like TAX CUTS! They are always griping about the ones Bush gave.

281 posted on 08/17/2004 8:41:30 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Psalm 146:3 - Put not your trust in Princes, nor in the Son of Man, in whom there is no help.)
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To: Aquinasfan
I demand reparations for the mistreatment of my grandparents in Eastern Europe.

The anti Christian SOB's forced them to flee to the U.S.

I feel real sad about that and what they and their ancestors went through with forced conscription and forced labor.

Therefore, I demand equal treatment! :-)

282 posted on 08/17/2004 8:41:32 AM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Aquinasfan
I'll tell you what though, the more Alan dominates the headlines with his positions and proposals, the more Obama diminishes in stature.

I'll tell you what! With this proposal, Keyes just may have put the carpetbagger issue behind him for good. ;-)

283 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:25 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: cyborg
Black people were not miraculously made equal right after slavery.

The article refers to slavery. Reparations were about the evils of slavery. Quit acting like a liberal moving the goal posts. If you want to have reparations for separate water fountains, start a new movement.

284 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:31 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Theft is theft even if the government is your thug.)
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To: Catspaw
"It sounds more like Keyes let his mouth get away from him and his spokesman had to come out and do one of those "what Ambassador Keyes meant to say was" clean-up jobs."

And it ain't going to fly. They want "special" reparations to blacks only, not a tax cut for everyone. I can hear it now "Dr. Keyes believes the way to make up for slavery and centuries of oppression of the black man is to give white businessmen, the new plantation owners, a tax cut!"

I could write all the dim responses to this in my sleep.

285 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:39 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Bob J
Was this their response or are you putting words in their mouths.

Neither. I was speculating on what choice of responses they have. Will the Dem race-hustlers rush to embrace no taxation as a reparation solution?

286 posted on 08/17/2004 8:42:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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To: concerned about politics

http://www.neh.gov/news/humanities/2004-01/reconstruction.html

History is an endless lesson of shoulda-woulda-coulda.


287 posted on 08/17/2004 8:43:04 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: tnlibertarian

Read my posts before having such a knee jerk reaction. Thanks.


288 posted on 08/17/2004 8:43:34 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Here is what putting this on the table does. Other "injustices" will now be brought out. So where does the line get drawn? Will this then serve to minimalize the reparations debate? He's just shooting up a flare. While it is bright, the discussion will flow. But that light gets shed elsewhere too. The Dems will snuff it out fast.

While Alan reloads the flare gun!


289 posted on 08/17/2004 8:44:33 AM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer (Keyes is Making Sense, Obama is Making Excuses.)
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To: mhking
I think he is looking to try anything to create enough tension in the race to win, and that includes pandering.

Fair enough. I think he is too principled to pander. I suspect another strategery at work. That's my opinion of Keyes FWIW.

290 posted on 08/17/2004 8:45:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky!)
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Picked this up from the Malkin thread, unsourced. Keyes' position is:
People with provable heritage to slaves be exempted from federal taxes for a period of two years.
Sounds like a reasonable and modest proposal to me.
291 posted on 08/17/2004 8:45:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Strangely enough, this makes sense! Tax relief for the slaves. LOL!!!!!!!

What most people don't realize is that we are ALL slaves under the current system.

When we have a government that can confiscate at will our hard earned money without any regard to representation whatsoever, WE ARE SLAVES!!


292 posted on 08/17/2004 8:45:31 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: cyborg

I read your post to me. If you want me to read something else, ping me to it, or include it in your post to me.


293 posted on 08/17/2004 8:45:36 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Theft is theft even if the government is your thug.)
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To: Right_Handed_Writer
While Alan reloads the flare gun!

And accidently shoots himself in the foot with it, and spends the remainder of the campaign hopping around on one foot blowing on his toes to try and put the fire out...

294 posted on 08/17/2004 8:46:14 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: tnlibertarian

You are the one that accused me of acting like a liberal. Go read it yourself. Otherwise, leave me alone.


295 posted on 08/17/2004 8:46:45 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: SuziQ
"Not at all. He's not talking about taking money from OTHERS, he's only talking about not taking money from the black people themselves to give to the government."

Do you believe Congress will be reducing the size of the Federal government in direct proportion to what they won't be taking in in black personal taxes? If not, the shortfall will have to be made up by raising someone else's taxes.

296 posted on 08/17/2004 8:47:23 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Aquinasfan
Whoa Nelly is right! Reparations for descendants of slaves would be unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, because not all blacks are descended from slaves, not all whites are descended from slaveowners, some free blacks owned slaves, and many blacks are actually of mixed heritage, so one could be descended from slaves and slaveowners at the same time.

Reparations given to Japanese-Americans for internment were totally different since they were given to the actual people, not alleged descendants 140 later (the fact that the former Italian- and German-American internees were denied reparations was an act of political cowardice). Also, the internments were something done directly by the federal government, not individuals.

297 posted on 08/17/2004 8:47:40 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Doesn't sound reasonable to me, that means everybody else has to pick up the tab. My family didn't come over from Germany until between the World Wars, we had nothing to do with American slavery and there's no reason for us to pay for it.


298 posted on 08/17/2004 8:48:00 AM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
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To: Aquinasfan

Now, what if his position, as this article indicates (and what FReepers heard on the radio) is "African-Americans with slave heritage" do you still consider it a modest and reasonable proposal?

I find nothing reasonable or modest about one race being singled out for benefits over others...


299 posted on 08/17/2004 8:48:24 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: LWalk18

One small Senate race. But don't forget, one of the candidates delivered the keynote address at the Dem convention. Now who was that keynote speaker in 1988?


300 posted on 08/17/2004 8:48:29 AM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer (Keyes is Making Sense, Obama is Making Excuses.)
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