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Paperlessarchives.com Publishes 20,000 Pages of John Kerry - VVAW FBI Files
Paperless Archives ^ | June 9, 2004 | Paperless Archives

Posted on 08/15/2004 1:23:00 PM PDT by stockpirate

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To: stockpirate

Thanks for the post!


81 posted on 08/15/2004 5:18:20 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: stockpirate

bump


82 posted on 08/15/2004 5:27:07 PM PDT by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: stockpirate

Does anybody know what was said in the Sept. 27, 1971, speech by at George Washington University/Gaston Hall? It sure seems to have made Kerry get on the FBI list (again) and the "confidential source" sure seems to make a lot of references to it.


83 posted on 08/15/2004 5:32:41 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Bias is not necessarily propaganda. HOWEVER, bias is necessary to propaganda.)
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To: ntnychik; devolve; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Smartass; PhilDragoo

Ping!


84 posted on 08/15/2004 5:49:50 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: stockpirate
20,000? Holy crap.

He was one busy dude.

85 posted on 08/15/2004 5:53:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: stockpirate

BTTT!!


86 posted on 08/15/2004 5:56:20 PM PDT by The Mayor ("Guard against the imposture's of pretended patriotism." George Washington)
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To: Wolverine

Hey wolfie

HOW KERRY QUIT VETERANS GROUP AMID DARK PLOT

When Talk Turned To Assassination He Exited, Vet Says

By THOMAS H. LIPSCOMB Special to the Sun



The anti-war group that John Kerry was the principal spokesman for debated and voted on a plot to assassinate politicians who supported the Vietnam War.

Mr. Kerry denies being present at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and says he quit the group before the meeting. But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.

Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week.

In addition to Mr. Barnes’s recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.

There are at least two other independent corroborations that the antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of which Mr. Kerry was the most prominent national spokesman, considered assassinating American political leaders who favored the war.

Gerald Nicosia’s 2001 book “Home To War” reports that one of the key leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Scott Camil,“proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress,as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement.”The book reports on the Kansas City meeting at which Mr.Camil’s plan was debated and then voted down.

Mr. Nicosia’s book was widely praised by reviewers as varied as General Harold Moore, author of “We Were Soldiers”; Gloria Emerson, who had been a New YorkTimes reporter during the Vietnam War, and leftist Howard Zinn. Mr. Kerry himself stated in a blurb on the cover that the book “ties together the many threads of a difficult period.” Mr. Kerry hosted a party for the book in the Hart Senate Office Building that was televised on C-SPAN.

Another source is an October 20,1992, oral history interview of Scott Camil on file at the University of Florida Oral History Archive.In it,Mr.Camil speaks of his plan for an alternative to Mr.Kerry’s idea of symbolically throwing veterans’ medals over the fence onto the steps of the Capitol during the Dewey Canyon III demonstration in Washington in April of 1971.

“My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last — and we would shoot them all,” Mr. Camil told the Oral History interviewer. “I was serious.”

In a phone interview with the Sun this week, Mr. Camil did not dispute either the account in the Nicosia book or in the oral history.He said he plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in Mr. Kerry’s presidential campaign. Campaign aides to Mr. Kerry invited Mr.Camil to a meeting for the senator in Orlando last week, but they did not meet directly.

Mr. Camil was known to colleagues in the anti-war movement as “Scott the Assassin.” Mr. Camil told The New York Sun he got the name in Vietnam for “sneaking down to the Vietnamese villages at night and killing people.”

According to the Nicosia book and interviews with VVAW members who were involved, at theVietnamVeterans Against the War Kansas City leadership conference, Mr. Camil tried to put his plan into effect. He called together eight to 10 Marines to organize something he called “The Phoenix Project.” The original Phoenix Project during the Vietnam War was an attempt to destroy the Viet Cong leadership by assassination. Mr. Camil’s Phoenix Project planned to execute the Southern senatorial leadership that was financing the Vietnam War. Senators like John Stennis, Strom Thurmond, and John Tower were his targets, according to Mr. Camil. They were to be killed during the Senate Christmas recess the following month.

After an attempt to parcel out the hit jobs required to kill the senators, Mr. Camil’s plan was presented to all the chapter coordinators present and the VVAW leadership. Mr. Nicosia’s book recounts, “What Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it. So they decamped to a church on the outskirts of town with the intention of debating the plan in complete privacy.When they got to the church, however, they found that the government was already on to them; their ‘debugging expert’ uncovered microphones hidden all over the place. An instantaneous decision was made to move again to Common Ground, a Mennonite hall used by homeless vets as a ‘crash pad.’”

“Camil was deadly serious, brilliant, and highly logical,” Mr. Nicosia told the Sun.

The plan was voted down. There’s a difference of opinion as to how narrow the margin was.

The claims of Mr. Kerry’s involvement in the assassination discussions in Kansas City have apparently not been previously reported.

The most recent book that focuses on Mr. Kerry’s relations with his fellow Vietnam veterans, Douglas Brinkley’s “Tour of Duty,” reports the events as follows: “In a November 10 letter housed at the VVAW papers in Madison,Wisconsin, Kerry quit, politely noting he had been proud to serve in the national organization. His reason was straightforward: ‘personality conflicts and differences in political philosophy.’ In two days,VVAW was meeting in Kansas City and he would be a noshow.”

But in a footnote, Mr. Brinkley acknowledges,“I could not locate Kerry’s November 10 VVAW resignation letter supposedly housed at the Wisconsin archives. The quote I used comes directly from Andrew E. Hunt’s essential ‘The Turning: A History of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (1999).”

When asked by the Sun who told him Mr. Kerry was “no-show” at Kansas City, Mr. Brinkley replied, “Senator Kerry.” Mr. Brinkley also stated that Mr. Kerry did not have a personal copy of the resignation letter either.

But in an interview with the Sun, the “essential” historian Mr. Brinkley relied on as his source, Andrew E. Hunt, said “I never stated that there was a letter of resignation, or even implied in my book that I saw one. I never could find one in the archives in Wisconsin. I don’t know how Brinkley got the idea that I had. I never could figure out when Kerry resigned.” When asked about Mr. Brinkley’s statement that Mr. Kerry didn’t have a copy of the resignation letter either, Mr. Hunt said, “I don’t know about that. I never could get an interview with Senator Kerry. But I never saw anyone who saves things the way Kerry does.”

Whether or not there was a letter of resignation dated November 10 is obviously important, since it predates the Kansas City assassination discussions by two days.

Mr. Camil said he did not recall whether Mr. Kerry was at the Kansas City meeting nor did he recall whether he had discussed his assassination plan with Mr. Kerry.

But Mr. Barnes, the head of the Missouri Veterans for Kerry, said, “I don’t think there was a letter of resignation. He just said he was resigning after the vote.”

Clearly there is considerable confusion about the time of Mr. Kerry’s resignation.According to Mr. Nicosia,“He resigned from the executive committee” after a spectacular argument with VVAW leader Al Hubbard at the July national leadership meeting in St Louis.

But on behalf of the John Kerry campaign, spokesman David Wade told the Sun yesterday that Mr. Kerry resigned from Vietnam Veterans Against the War “sometime in the summer of 1971 after the August meeting in St. Louis, which Kerry did not attend.”

Mr.Wade also said,“Kerry was not at the Kansas City meeting.”

Two-thirds of the American troops in Vietnam at the height of American commitment in 1969 had already been withdrawn in the “Vietnamization” policy in effect at the time of the VVAW Kansas City conference in November 1971. When asked recently by the Sun why the assassinations still seemed necessary, Mr. Camil replied: “The war was still going on. We had to stop it.”


87 posted on 08/15/2004 6:00:22 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: b4its2late

That number consists of the complete file of documents of the VVAW, some of which have information concerning Kerry.


88 posted on 08/15/2004 6:03:13 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: exhaustedmomma
It has been reported that after he said he was not there, when confronted with the fact that he was there his spokesman stated he voted against the plan.

But the fact he was there and took part in the discussions is probably a crime.
89 posted on 08/15/2004 6:05:25 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: stockpirate

Bookmark.


90 posted on 08/15/2004 6:08:01 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: stockpirate

Good grief, three minutes of reading reveals that even his fellow hippies couldn't stand him and wanted him to get away from their organization because of his "personal political aspirations."

Unreal that someone like this is now a serious candidate for president of this country.

MM


91 posted on 08/15/2004 6:11:17 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: MississippiMan
AN opportunist
92 posted on 08/15/2004 6:21:48 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: MississippiMan
On October 10, 1971, the first source advised that Kerry's speech was received by local VVAW supporters as a clear indication that Kerry is an opportunist with political aspirations.

Therefore, the source advised, support has been withdrawn from the New York City office in general and John Kerry in particular.

93 posted on 08/15/2004 6:30:34 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: MississippiMan
ROTFLOL

This has got to be the end of this maniac or we live in a very screwed up country.

Even his fellow com-symps could see he was a phony 40 years ago.

94 posted on 08/15/2004 6:32:46 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Rome2000

Well, for a logical populace, yes, something like this, if revealed, would be fatal. This country did, however, elect Bill Clinton twice.

In some ways, Kerry gives me the creeps more than Clinton. Not more than Satan's Spawnette Hillary, mind you, but more than Bill. In some ways. Sheesh, did I really just type that?

MM


95 posted on 08/15/2004 6:54:27 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; BellStar

ping


96 posted on 08/15/2004 7:33:32 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
and anybody is surprised that HANOI-John LIED????

free dixie,sw

97 posted on 08/15/2004 7:38:05 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
After deciding not to run for Congress in 1970, Kerry went to Paris, site of Vietnam War peace negotiations, and met with Viet Cong representatives. After his return, he began participating in VVAW events. John Kerry became one the Vietnam Veteran's Against the War's most publicly recognizable figures.

It looks like VVAW was founded in '67 but then went more or less defunct in mid '68. Then they were revived in mid '70. Just about the time Kerry was discharged from the Navy, and went to Paris to meet with the VC political front. This is also the period when he married his first wife, Julia Stimson Thorne, and so got access to her money. She went with him to Paris, which was right after the marriage. Sort of a traitors honeymoon I guess.

98 posted on 08/15/2004 7:54:50 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: stockpirate; Interesting Times

Is this something FRN needs?


99 posted on 08/15/2004 7:58:19 PM PDT by Libertina (Kerry: Unreliable in Vietnam, unfit for the White House.)
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To: doug from upland; Jim Robinson
"...Nov. 12-15, 1971 in Kansas City. How did John vote regarding assassinating U.S. senators???..."

I dunno, Doug. Every time I ever opened my mouth, I got a bunch of USSS guys lookin'-up my ass.

I don't care, 'cause I ain't gonna quit! These people have to be stopped!

That might be why we hang around here, buds.............FRegards

100 posted on 08/15/2004 8:22:32 PM PDT by gonzo ("Growing old is inevitable, if yer lucky. Growing up is optional, thank goodness...")
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