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Dream Team Stunned by Puerto Rico 92-73
My Way News ^ | 8/15/04 | CHRIS SHERIDAN/AP

Posted on 08/15/2004 12:50:40 PM PDT by wagglebee

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - In an upset as historic as it was inevitable, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson and the rest of the U.S. basketball team lost 92-73 to Puerto Rico on Sunday, only the third Olympic defeat ever for the Americans.

It was also the most lopsided loss in the games for the U.S. team, alarming not only for its significance but also for its decisiveness.

Puerto Rico, which had lost to the Americans five times in the past 13 months, took control in the first half, led by 22 at halftime and gamely held off a fourth-quarter comeback for one of the biggest sports achievements in the island territory's history.

The loss was a blow to the Americans' confidence, but it did little to hurt their gold medal chances. They need only to finish in the top four of their six-team group to reach the quarterfinals.

Still, the defeat will go a long way toward giving the competition the bold idea that it's someone else's turn to move to the top of a sport that's been dominated by one country for nearly three-quarters of a century.

As Carlos Arroyo left the court with just over a minute left, he defiantly pulled at the words "Puerto Rico" on his jersey. He led his team with 24 points.

Anyone in America who didn't see this coming hadn't been paying attention to the way international basketball has been changing. The U.S. nearly lost in the semifinals at Sydney on a last-second miss by Lithuania, then dropped three games on its home turf at the 2002 World Championships in Indianapolis - the first losses ever by a U.S. team of NBA professionals.

This year's team, weakened by the defections and rejections of 12 top players, opened its pre-Olympic tour of Europe with a 17-point loss to Italy and a last-second victory over Germany - a pair of games in which their vulnerability to a tight zone defense was clearly exposed.

Puerto Rico used that defensive strategy, too, and the Americans could do next to nothing against it.

After Lamar Odom made their first 3-pointer, the Americans missed 16 straight. They tried to get the ball inside, but Puerto Rico collapsed several defenders into the paint and took the U.S. team's best player, Duncan, out of the offensive equation.

American teams had been 24-0 since the professional Olympic era began with the 1992 Dream Team, but now there is a blemish on their record to go with their two losses to the Soviet Union in the 1972 gold medal game and the 1988 semifinals.

They handled the loss to Puerto Rico with grace, congratulating their opponents and joining them in a huddle at center court before both teams exited to a standing ovation.

The U.S Olympic team's record now stands at 109-3.


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To: wagglebee
Two points:
1) We deserved getting beat with the team we chose to represent us. I understand, many stars selfishly refused to play and so we had to settle for a team that can't shoot the ball. But, why not just let the Duke basketball team play? I guarantee you that Coach K would have led the Blue Devils to victory over Puerto Rico. After all, they have people who can make 3-pointers. Carmelo and the rest of the Nightmare Team need to stop strutting around, take their head bands off, and start playing real basketball. They may make millions of dollars, but they look terrible.
2) Why is Puerto Rico represented in the Olympics? Last time I checked, they were a territory of the US. They don't have to pay many taxes but they still get tons of benefits. I say cut 'em loose. They want to be independent, let them. Can someone tell me the benefits of having PR be in the US? There may be some, but I'm sure curious to know what they are.
41 posted on 08/15/2004 1:38:22 PM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: wagglebee

The loss reconfirms my not bothering to watch the NBA for the past many years. They lost me long ago. Once was a team sport, now it is gangsters and hotdoggers.


42 posted on 08/15/2004 1:46:25 PM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Semper Paratus
If Port Richard can have their own team why not Taiwan?

What are you? Some kind of trouble maker? (grin,wink)

43 posted on 08/15/2004 1:56:55 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: wagglebee

They are not a dream team.


44 posted on 08/15/2004 1:57:36 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: JPJones
Here's the problem for the NBA players. With the shooting arc set at 23' 6", the court gets spread out as teams try to defense the three point line. This allows for the cutting and slashing that is the hallmark of the NBA. With the shorter line in international competition, a team can pack their players back under the basket and not allow the ball to get inside as easily as it does in the NBA. The other killer for the NBA players, is that International competition requires that the rule book be followed. Any contact with the shooter in an NBA game will almost always result in the defender getting hit with a foul. The international players are coached to take the charge, and guess what, the officials call it like the game was originally designed to work.

Who knows about the shooting though. Why USA Basketball did not bring a balanced team to this games is a real mystery. Most of the guys on the team are post up players who play with their back to the basket. Why there are not 3 or 4 shooters on this team who can hit the outside jump shot is beside me. One would probably have to look at the endorsement contracts to figure that one out.

45 posted on 08/15/2004 1:59:07 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Jewels1091
This morning on a local sports talk show one of the gents proposed that the economics of golf be practiced in each of the major team sports. Golfers have to earn a paycheck at each event. This year's stroke leader doesn't get paid next year (except endorsements) without finishing high enough in tournaments.

I suggest there are two things to wonder about here. Is the NBA not good enough anymore to win consistently in niternational competition? Can our athletes be coached into a sufficiently coherent team in the limited time they have together?

46 posted on 08/15/2004 2:01:37 PM PDT by jimfree (Never did no wanderin' after all.)
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To: razorback-bert
Absolutely correct, and therein lies the problem. The NBA is not representative of how the game should be played. It's played by a bunch of "me first" freaks of nature who worry first and foremost about their own stats, then their contract, then how they are represented in the press, and so on. About number 658 on their priority list is "oh yeah, how's the team doing?". It's the reason these marginally talented streetball thugs believe they can make it to the NBA... the style of game really isn't much different. In the NBA, there are never two teams playing against one another. It's 10 individuals competing for air time on ESPN.

Sadly, it seems the only place you can see basketball played as it should be, as a team sport, is in college ball. And even then, it's mostly at the mid-major conference level.

Equally as sad, this won't bother the players on the team at all. They'll come home, hop in their Escalades, throw on their $1200 sunglasses, put on a DVD and turn up the gangsta rap tunes, and laugh about it. After all, winning the Olympics doesn't factor in to their contracts, and taking pride in representing your country might harm their "street cred".

This is disgusting, but as the article said, also inevitable. At least now I feel a tad better about never again watching the NBA.

47 posted on 08/15/2004 2:09:27 PM PDT by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: chainsaw
What we saw was how to play basketball with no rebounding, no defense, no shooting, no teamwork, poor ball handling, and no coaching. Quite embarrassing IMHO.

Not exactly "Hoosiers", I take it.


48 posted on 08/15/2004 2:17:08 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Puddleglum

This is the 1980 Hocket miracle in reverse. It reinforces the idea that a collection of stars is not a team. Our olympic basketball team is not a team. At this point, I would like to see a college dream team that actually practices and plays together to become a dream team. The NBA stars can't/won't dedicate the time to it.


49 posted on 08/15/2004 2:29:58 PM PDT by blanknoone (Everything is impossible to those who refuse to try.)
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To: wagglebee

It's still a team game. Looks like a group of superstars can't just mail it in like they used to. Then again, Bird, Magic etc. knew how to play team ball, even if they were not use to playing with each other. Not having to face any real zone in the pro game, the US did not have an answer. Where are the role playing zone busters like a Steve Kerr? At home, no name recognition. Not superstars.


50 posted on 08/15/2004 2:35:19 PM PDT by handy (Leahy you, you Clymer!)
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To: wagglebee

Dream Team??????? More like Nightmare Team.


51 posted on 08/15/2004 2:36:28 PM PDT by irishtenor (Taglines are the bonus at the end of the message :>))
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To: SamAdams76
I can understand your frustration but the problem is that there really are two different kinds of "professionals."

There are the professionals who, through endorsements and sponsorships and the like, train for the purpose of competing on the world stage. For example, swimming phenom Michael Phelps is making a seven figure income. And frankly, while he certainly doesn't need that much money to compete, but he does need some---hence he is, by definition, a professional athelete.

Then there are, of course, those who play in professional leagues like the NBA or NHL. To them, world competition serves only as a distraction from their primary focus.

I for one am not willing to forbid the first kind of pro athelete if that's the only way to forbid the second. Is there, perhaps, a way to differentiate?

53 posted on 08/15/2004 2:46:46 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: SamAdams76

Team USA isn't anywhere near being an "allstar team".

As to your suggestion, did you know that the point guard for PR is an NBA player? He is the point guard for the Jazz. The guy who hit the buzzer shot this morning for Argentina is also in the NBA, he is a guard for the Spurs.

Team USA has not been playing together very long and it shows. A number of real NBA allstars were asked to play for the USA and said no. Younger and more inexperienced players were then chosen in the place of players like Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Kidd. <<<( BTW some of these guys were on the US olympic qualifying team)

Kudos to Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson who are true allstars and decided that representing their country was more important than vacation. If they can pull this young team together and win the gold, it will be every bit as exciting as the 1980 hockey win.


54 posted on 08/15/2004 2:53:54 PM PDT by GWfan
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To: SamAdams76
Here's another reason we should not allow professional players onto our Olympic teams

That boat sailed years ago. Every other country has professional players, some of them current or former NBA players. A whole bunch of NBA guys, from Shack on down, turned down their country when asked to be part of Team USA. So I give full credit to every man who said yes, even Allen Iverson, despite knowing they could risk their career with an injury.

The fantasy that we could recapture the magic with an all-college team is just that. The Americans would be lucky to even qualify an Olympic team, going up against international competition that has plenty of professionals. If you think it's okay to make a point by losing with amateurs, that's one thing, but to think they could win a medal, that's fantasy.
55 posted on 08/15/2004 2:58:09 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Jokelahoma

Last week, bored with nothing on the tube, I watched StreetBall, I couldn't find any rules for the players.


56 posted on 08/15/2004 2:59:22 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: SamAdams76

I would agree--if we NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER let John Thompson or another idiot college coach run the team again.

Dumb dumb dumb dumb. The man can't even comment on college basketball on TV, he's so stupid.


57 posted on 08/15/2004 3:17:11 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: dmc8576

As to your question, "Can someone tell me the benefits of having PR be in the US?" that's an easy answer:

We have thousands of Puerto Rican urban renewal and election reform specialists in New York and Florida, to ensure that those states become more like the paradise that is Puerto Rico.


58 posted on 08/15/2004 3:22:58 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: wagglebee
They're a separate nation.

Also, zone defense is not an issue in the pro's, so they our dream teams are not chosen with that in mind.

59 posted on 08/15/2004 3:26:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Dazedcat

Kind of funny seeing these "second-rate" NBA pro's getting their tails beat ...

... Because the "first-rate" NBA "stars" chose to sit on their expnsive high-falutin' tails doing nothing.


60 posted on 08/15/2004 3:29:28 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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