Posted on 08/15/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by BraveMan
Don't you love it when a plans comes together?
I don't know how Christians or anybody else can justify excluding nonreligious kids from Boy Scouting, either.
But that's not what happens, and you know it!
I've heard Michael Moore say exactly the same thing.
Your position in this thread is that of a politically-correct multiculturalist facist. No appreciation for or acknowledgement of institutions that built this country, and that have operated in a positive vein for many decades. Just tear the BSA down in the interests of the homosexual agenda, godless atheists, and the values-averse.
I can only go by what I read. I have no personal knowledge of the practice. My kid was BEAVER for pete's sake. That's a Canadian version of cub scout. Their salute was to curl up two fingers and make a clawing motion. At least that's how I recall it. It's been a long time. :)
Hey, I'm worse than that! Basically, as long as they aren't getting my taxes or special public privileges, they can do what they want. Is that cynical or what?
Why do you feel the need to put words in other people's mouths?
Who can? Apparently not everyone has the right to do this. You rationalistic types trumpet loudly that "man doesn't need G-d to tell him right from wrong" and then when a fellow human exercises his evolution-given "right" to invent a moral code you start screaming bloody murder, as though there were some "objective" moral standard that exists outside human invention.
You decide to live by "live and let live," someone else decides to obliterate whole populations . . . what's the dif? Both of you are doing what "seems right to you." Does the obliterator need to check with you as to what is right and wrong? Can't he decide for himself? Or do you think that people like you have some special "right" to decide what is right and wrong for everyone else because your "rationalism" gives you a "clearer view of reality?"
C'mon . . . you don't believe people have souls! What does it matter if someone discriminates or litters or wipes out an entire country? There can't be any metaphysical consequences. After all, it's not like people have "souls" or anything, is it?
Ever since your prececessor Jefferson you people have been claiming that your own subjective moral hang-ups are "self-evidently" true.
Unintended Consequences.......
I was just trying to figure if the answer was yes or no. It sounded like yes. People seem to dance around rather than own up to what they are supporting in this case.
I still thinks boys (and guys too!) need a place where they can be guys without women (and girls) giggling at them. (kinda like the military...)
Wish I had some extra $$$ to make a property purchase. Would make a great lodge for family and summer guests to enjoy.
"...wondered how Christians can justify excluding nonreligious kids..."
...wondered how people-who-are-concerned-about-their-country can justify excluding non-patriotic kids...
If you are suggesting that people can have values, apart from getting them instilled by religious or other indoctrination -- just what might those values be? And where would one go about getting them? (Being someone who considers himself respectful and reverential, but not overly religious, I would really like to know.)
If you were setting up an organization to reward children that you thought should be recognized and encouraged for something, what would that something be? Hmm?
My kids were beavers, too. There was no religiosity associated with Scouting, and never has been, AFAIK.
There may well be local Scouting groups more centered around church than most, but I'm sure that state-wide bodies can prevent that from getting out of hand.
Just because they're tenting doesn't mean it's a revival meeting!
The modern State, in Canada, the U.S., and elsewhere, is determined to destroy all social institutions not under their ideological control.
Orwell was right - us moderns are simply too stupid to get it.
This is not about multi-culturism.
This is about destroying a org. that instilled morals and values in boys.
Homos have won in Canada.
"Merits?" Are those "self-evident" too?
This is not happening in a vacuum. In the US, the Jaycees, the Lions, and almost any volunteer group you can name is losing membership, most of them down to critical mass where the next step is old-timer reunions with no current activity. The Canadian Scouts are not unique with this problem.
Please see #96.
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