Posted on 08/14/2004 6:53:37 PM PDT by doug from upland
Okay. Sorry for getting excited.
...drop the use of the "F'n" in his name.
Thanks for the comments. I agree. I was using this as a place to vent rather than to influence visitors. I guess it couldn't hurt to clean it up a bit. You never know when my kid or his friends (or their parents) will visit. Not to mention my parents, brothers and boss - who are all democrats! What do you think now? Check it out.
Stay Strong
Fuzzy
Stop it. You are not going to hijack my thread. Please go put up your own and attack O'Neill if you like.
If you don't like The SwiftVets, why are you on a thread about one of them?
You're giving the impression that you don't like the SwiftVets or their message.
They come from BOTH political parties, and have a serious problem with Kerry's statements i.e. his lies frauds and outright fabrications regarding his service and medals.
LOL Did you have some beer and pizza today? If not, step away from the computer, and go find sustenance ;) (You'll feel better :)
But to talk seriously about the Swifites, their message is getting out, but when they are interviewed on liberal channels they are seriously talked over and shouted at. And the way the the media BLATANTLY refuses to cover stories ( and even works out their "coverage" "plans" by tele-conferences...) Doug, do you feel a litle how it must have been like in the Soviet Union? Shudder...
Here here.
Yes, it is a RAT trick, but because of that vote for Gore, silly as I agree it was, they cannot attack him as a far right wing idealogue. He is an independent guy who is warning the nation.
What am I missing here?...
The whole point of the book is that Kerry is not fit to be the leader of the world's only Hyper Power.
But somehow O'Neil thinks "gravitas" Edwards is, especially considering the steady leadership Bush has shown the past 4 years ??!!! Good God, this is getting worse by the minute.
Yes, their message is getting out. We need to defend them, not attack them. The RATS will do more than their share of that.
I'll be sure to send you some traffic. That change will make it a lot easier to do.
Thanks.
You're giving the impression that you don't like the SwiftVets or their message.
How do you get that conclusion? I think the SwiftVets and their book is the best! The absolute best! I'm just making the point here that O'Neil needs to be consistent, otherwise he will come across as having a "personal" agenda against Kerry. If the claim is that Kerry is unfit due to LEADERSHIP QUALITIES and LYING, then don't tell me you voted for Gore, who has the same problems as Kerry, or would have voted for Edwards, who has no experience whatsoever.
Agreed. (Except the bit about the diet coke ;)
"Evaluation co-signed by Joseph Streuli and George M. Elliott on January 28, 1969, and March 17, 1969, respectively: ... exhibited all of the traits of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta. 2.
March 2, 1970 evaluation from Admiral Walter F. Schlech: ... one of the finest young officers with whom I have served in a long naval career."
Thanks for any help.
O'Neill should get our support as a patriot because he is doing the right thing. We can argue with him later over why he has sometimes voted foolishly. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. Remember that Christopher Hitchens was an ally going after Clinton. This is not about opinions. He has brought forward the truth about the man who would be an unthinkable commander in chief. Let's support him, not attack him and play into the RATS' hands.
Kerry's March 13, 1969, "Medals"
(This is regarding the Jim Rassman Rescue)
"Notwithstanding the fake submission for his Bronze Star, Kerry was never wounded or bleeding fro mm his arm. All reports, including the medical reports, make clear that he suffered a minor bruise on his arm and minor shrapnel wounds on his buttocks. The minor bruise on his arm would never have justified a Purple Hear and is not mention in the citation.
This leaves only Kerry's rear-end wound. This wound, like the Cam Ranh Bay wound, was of the minor tweezer-and-band-aid variety. How did Kerry receive a shrapnel wound in his buttocks for the explosion of an underwater mine, as his report suggests. Many participants in the incident state that neither weapons fire nor a mine explosion occurred near Kerry during the incident.
Larry Thurlow, an experienced , genuine hero and PCF veteran, commanded the boat behind Kerrry on March 13, 1969. Thurlow was on the shore with Kerry and a group of Nugh soldiers (mercenaries working with the South Vietnamese) that morning of March 13, 1969. Thurlow recalls that Kerry had that morning wounded himself in the buttocks with a grenade the he set off too close to a stock of rice he was trying to destroy. The incident is all too reminiscent of the M-79 grenade Kerry exploded too close to some rocks on shore, causing the wound at Cam Ranh Bay that resulted in his first Purple Heart. As the Boston Globe biographers note: "At one point, Kerry and Rassmann threw grenades into a huge rice cache that had been captured from the Vietcong and was thus slated for destruction. After tossing the grenades, the two dove for cover. Rassmann escaped the ensuing explosion of rice but Kerry was not as lucky - thousands of grains stuck to him. The result was hilarious, and the two men formed a bond."
Very probably, the incident Rassmann describes that resulted in Kerry's self-inflicted wound is the very wound that Kerry used to claim his final Purple Heart. Indeed, Kerry's report for that day mentions the rice he destroyed. He dishonestly transferred the time and cause of the injury to coincide with the PCF action later in the day and claimed that the cause of the injury was the mine exploding during the action.
On March 13, 1969, Jack Chenoweth commanded the boat in front of Kerry, and his gunner, Van Odell, had a clear view of the entire incident. dick Pease commanded PCF3, which was blown up by the mine that day. None of the Swiftess recognized the incident as described by Kerry in his report, by Douglas Brinkley in Tour of Duty, or on Kerry's website. They were furious when the realized Kerry's fraudulent account.
In reality, Kerry's boat was on the right side of the river when a mine went off on the opposite side, under PCF 3. The boat's crewmen were thrown into the water. The officers of PCF3 were injured by the explosion and suffered concussions. A Viet Cong sympathizer in an adjoining bunker had touched of the mine. Besides the mine exploding under PCF3, there were no other hostile fire and there were no other mines, according to Chenoweth, Odell, Pease and Thurlow. The boats had begun firing after the mine exploded, but they ceased after a short time because of the lack of hostile fire.
Despite the absence of hostile fire, Kerry fled the scene. The remaining PCFs, in accord with standard doctrine, stood to defend the disabled PCF 3 and its crewmen in the water. Kerry disappeared several hundred yards away, returning only when it was clear that there was no return fire.
chenoweth (who received no medal)picked up the PCF 3 crewmen thrown into the water. As a result of the explosion, PCF 3'S engines were knocked out on one side and froze on 500 RPM on the other side. The boat was weaving dangerously, hitting sandbars, with a dazed or unconscious crew aboard. Thurlow sought a secure hold on his boat so he could jump across and board PCF 3. However, he was thrown into the water as his first attempt to board PCF 3 failed and the boat hit the sandbars. Later, Thurlow brought PCF 3 to a stop, and the boat slowly began to sink.
During the incident, Jim Rassmann had fallen or had been knocked off either Kerry's boat or PCF 35. When he was spotted in the water, Chenoweth's boat, with PCF 3 crew went to pick him up. Kerry's boat, returning to the scene after its flight, reached him about twenty yards before Chenoweth.
Kerry's false after-action report, prepared to justify his medals, reports "5,000 meters" - about two and a half miles - of heavy fire, about the same distance as a large Civil War battlefield. Not a shot of this fire was heard by Chenoweth, Thurlow, Odell or Pease. Kerry's false after-action report ignores chenoweth's heroic action in rescuing the PCF 3 survivors and Thurlow's action in saving PCF 3, while highlighting his own routine pickup of Rassmann and PCF 94's minor role in saving PCF 3.
When Chenoweth's boat left a second time to deliver the wounded PCF 3 crewmen to a Coast Guard cutter offshore, Kerry jumped into the boat, leaving the few remaining officers and men the job of saving PCF 3, which was then in terrible condition, sinking just outside the river. Kerry's eagerness to secure his third and final Purple Heart evidently outweighed any feelings he may have had of loyalty, duty, or honor with regard to his fellow sailors. Thurlow and the brave sailors who saved PCF 3 and towed it out did not seek Purple Hears for their "minor contusions." Indeed, several of the PCF 3 sailors did not seek or receive Purple Hearts. Chenoweth, Odell, and the boat mates who fished out and save the sailors of PCF 3 likewise had no thought of seeking medals but only of rescuing the comrades and saving PCF 3. Kerry, however, portrays himself towing the disabled PCF 3 to safety after saving it. Another lie: The damage control on PCF 3 was done by Thurlow. While Kerry's boat, PCF 94, participated in towing PCF 3, Kerry was no longer on it for most of the trip (he was safely on the Coast Guard cutter), and Thurlow and Chenoweth are certain Kerry played no role in saving PCF 3 or its crew."
Well, that's probably more than you wanted but I had just read it and was so amazed by it that I retyped it for you. Any grammar or misspelling errors are mine!
HOW do I get that impression?
Re-read your own attacks on O'Neill as if someone ELSE wrote it and you're reading it for the first time, that MIGHT give you a clue.
Sounds like a typical officer evaluation.
You say as little as possible and never say what you mean or want to say.
Got to see similar eval's of officers in my old artillery unit.
Our Captain was a complete zero on the brainscan and if we'd ever seen combat as a unit we'd have all been killed because of his ego, but his officer eval's were always 'flawless'.
Never know if the no-brain cretin you give a bad eval to today may one day be your commanding officer and be vindictive about it.
But then 89 percent of the media that are democrats have to recuse themselves according to their own standards.
Thanks. I thought that was the case. I'm a vet, but never saw any evaluations, but had an idea how it works. It's sad, though, that this is written evidence that is hard to refute in the mind of a true believer. Rats.
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