Whatcha thank, should we stune his beeber?
I think this is just so sad. Both of these men are patriots in my book, because both fought for our country. While I like George Bush, Kerry saw alot more action and operated in one of the most dangerous parts of Vietnam. To deny the sacrifice he made is dishonest. To not respect the men who served under him, who love and appreciate him is sad. It is awful that partisan politics dictate how we view and judge our soldiers instead of the truth. The truth, now, only means those stories we WANT to believe because we either love or hate Kerry. The real truth is probably in between the stories of his detractors and those of his supporters. BUT, we will never really know.
Ya know...you have to really pay attention here. In my view Kerry forfeited the respect he would have gotten had he not come back home and lied about the men he left behind fighting. He forfeited the right to garner my respect when he tried to make himself out to be a bigger hero than he would have been. Kerry is a typical liberal ... they want it all and they want it both ways.
The truth is all that matters, sorry you see it differently, you have my deepest sympathy.
So what do you think about Kerry denying the respect and sacrifice of all those others he labeled as murderers and baby killers when he arrived home?
the most dangerous parts of Vietnam?
CAM RANH BAY???
the friggin' RESORT?????
What about Senator Kerry's respect for his fellow servicemen and women? Calling my father and brother baby killers and rapists, etc pretty much damned his right to be called anything but LIAR!
Kerry's lies after returning from Vietnam were nothing less than an effort to undermine our nation and its military during a time of war. That sounds like treason to me. He now admits he "exagerated" his comments before the Senate and on television regarding Vietnam. He called honorable and brave men who returned home to an ungrateful nation war criminals. He belittled those men he now claims as his "band of brothers" in the 1970s when it was politically expedient for him to do so.
John Kerry is slime, regardless of his military record.
July 29, 2004 - go back to DU
Politics has nothing to do with this one. Kerry gave up his place of honor when he threw his ribbons over the fence and called himself and his fellow sailors "Criminals." To consider a man with three purple hearts for essentially paper cuts as equal to a man who EARNED his Medal of Honor is ludicrous! Sorry you can't see that. Any person who serves gets a certain amount of respect. But when they themselves throw it away, it cannot be regained.
Weeping Tommy Daschle now has a friend!
Kerry is no hero. Some have served, yet deserve no respect. He is one of those. He dirtied the uniform he wore, and slandered those left behind.
My dad, a Marine who fought in the Palau islands and in numerous recon missions, never, ever brought up his service. Only with great prodding would he discuss some of what he went through. I learned that Honor is what you do when nobody is looking.
I'm not Fonda Kerry.
If Kerry's answer to every question was not "I'm a war hero from Viet Nam", he could probably get a pass on it. He made it an issue in the primary and it is all he says.
Kerry type quotes
"I believe live begins at conception, The mothere's right to end live begins at the same time. I fought in Viet Nam."
"I fought in Viet Nam therefore I can win the War on Terrorism".
"I can fix the health care sytem because I fough tin Viet Nam'.
"I'm all for family values, I fought in Viet Nam."
It is sickening. I think it takes courage to wear the uniform in any capacity at any time. But it does not give the vet a fear pass to rewrite history.
"I think this is just so sad. Both of these men are patriots in my book, because both fought for our country. While I like George Bush, Kerry saw alot more action and operated in one of the most dangerous parts of Vietnam. To deny the sacrifice he made is dishonest. To not respect the men who served under him, who love and appreciate him is sad. It is awful that partisan politics dictate how we view and judge our soldiers instead of the truth. The truth, now, only means those stories we WANT to believe because we either love or hate Kerry. The real truth is probably in between the stories of his detractors and those of his supporters. BUT, we will never really know."
There is one constant truth that cannot be denied:
Kerry accuses President Bush of lying to lead us into a war with Iraq.
Kerry is a self admitted liar who lied to insure America would lose the Vietnam war. He lied about an American policy to commit atrocities, he lied to give aid and comfort to a vicious communist enemy, he lied to insure more American Boys would die.
John Kerry is a lying traitorous 8astard. John Kerry, enemy mine.
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See, this is where you're mistaken.
We do know.
You're in over your head, by the way.
You just aren't clever enough to carry it off.
Second string?
Kerry is a fraud.
He twice blew himself up, and put in for his own purple hearts for wounds ineligible for purple hearts.
Self-inflicted wounds are barred from purple hearts.
Kerry slammed and lied about soldiers.
Patriot?
Hardly.
Yeah, you've made your position well known.
You really LOVE John Kerry, and think any truth outed about him is horrible.
"I agree with some of your assertions, Kerry isn't my favorite individual, but if we are to question why our country's Navy decided to decorate him with as many medals as they did, then we have to question anyone who received those medals."
Point one: Kerry put in for his own medals.
He was NOT rewarded 'so many', he had three purple hearts and one BS bronze star. He later put in for a Silver Star through a proggy to convert one medal to another.
The info is on FR, I'm SURE you've read it all by now?
"Flag Burning Photos from Democratic Convention
Posted by flagluver to BraveMan
On General/Chat 07/29/2004 6:21:54 PM EDT · 53 of 73
And here, all the time, I thought the flag represented what this country has always been about, freedom.....which includes freedom of expression. I don't mean to be snippy, but if they want to burn the flag, let 'em. Freedom means they don't have to get someone's permission.....otherwise it's not freedom. These people are their own worst enemies anyway......just look at them. Who's going to give them the time of day????? I'm surprised they are burning Kerry in effigy as well. Hmmm Even though I may not like it, the ability of them to be able to do what they do is what I love about this country. Concentration camps, hanging because they disagree with the government.....there's only one country in Europe I can remember where this was ever allowed. C'mon guys"
"Getting to Know John Kerry
Posted by flagluver to dighton
On News/Activism 07/29/2004 6:34:52 PM EDT · 25 of 27
With all due respect, are you surprised that the vets on here are not happy with Kerry. I mean, I love this message board, but everyone on here is pretty much of the same mind. How can we find good and honorable vets, on both sides of this issue???? My answer is that Kerry pissed off a bunch of people when he came back and testified in the states, and right there battle lines were drawn. I don't think this is as much about his war decorations as it is about furthering an agenda, whichever side you are on. Which is why I think its better to stick to arguing his policies......the other argument is pointless and fruitless, IMHO."
Then again, maybe you HAVEN'T READ any of it.
You realise that the only reason your post still stands is because you're posting your snot in the middle of a bunch of soldiers and sodlier family members AND their supporters who have way more honor and integrity than apparently you do?
Don't EVER mistake kindness for weakness.
We have thicker skins than most, and if you'd posted that crap on certain threads, you'd be banned before the hard drive on the server was done spinning up it's platter to save your post.
The real truth is fairly obvious. John Kerry served and deserves credit for that. However, he was also a politically ambitious young officer on the make who went to war to get his his ticket punched. There is nothing new in that.
Nor is there anything new in such an officer turning out to be a medal hound. Kerry, however, took it to extremes: three Purple Hearts for band-aid and Neosporin injuries and awards for valor that, as is clear in retrospect, were based on highly imaginative accounts of fairly minor actions. Again, Kerry is unfortunately far from the first officer to engage in this kind of thing. Embarrassing if you get caught, but it's not fatally disqualifying.
The issue is what we should make of it 35 years later. I am ordinarily of a "let sleeping dogs lie" persuasion; I would have thought the statue of limitations had run on Kerry's resume padding in Vietnam, as it had run on Bush's ancient DUI and his casual final year in the Air National Guard. But there's the rub.
If the dems are going to play scorched earth, gotcha politics with decades-old personal history, we have to fire back. It's that simple. I wish both Parties could find a way to stand down a bit, but the rule cannot be that the Republican gets savaged for every pecadillo while the Democrat gets a pass.
Moreover, if Kerry doesn't have the sense to tread lightly on his own past fabrications -- he has been recycling the Cambodian yarn very recently -- he makes such scrutiny almost unavoidable. I certainly have chapters in my life I would just as soon forget. If I were running for office, I would keep my mouth shut about them and hope my opponent was an honorable man. But Kerry keeps leading with this stuff. That's an outrageous bluff, and it should be called.
That is terrible! Kerry DID NOT serve bravely...he took advantaged of every opportunity to serve himself. I had 5 cousins over there at one time! One still carries metal in his body and was sprayed with agent orange...one still hits the deck if there is a loud sound unexpectedly. All served their FULL time in Viet Nam...even the one who carries part of a grenade (sp) in his body...he didn't even get to come home...they patched him up and back to the front he went. I take what kerry did personnally, he doesn't even deserve to say he was in the military, let alone brag about the things HE DIDN'T do!!!!
Whatcha thank, should we stune his beeber?