Posted on 08/11/2004 2:14:13 PM PDT by Gelato
I beg to disagree with you. This is the issue. Ask Edward Johnson, Puritan contemporary of Mass. Gov. John Winthrop. (if he were alive today :)
"Those who are chosen to a place in government, must be men truly fearing God, wise and learned in the truths of Christ...Neither will any Christian of a sound judgement vote for any, but those who earnest contend for the faith."
Glad you found this Jim, two of those donors are involved in the controversey of the new Mosque, that they ARE building in Orland Pk!
Because if our side is not booed off the stage immediately for bigotry (not all Muslims are a threat), the question is easily answered, because there is only one correct answer. Once we get the only answer we could have possibly received, we cannot even verify the truth in it. In the end, we make him the victim because we are questioning his character on account of his heritage. There are hundreds of opportunities from his own record to question his character. This one is something that is best left to someone else.
Besides, he is already on the record as saying that he believes no one goes to Hell. That does not square with a Muslim's beliefs. Unitarianism, while its "practitioners" consider themselves Christians, is mostly considered a cult by contemporary mainstream theologians (Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, etc.).
So unless you are a Christian you should hold political office. Given the Puritan definition of Christian, most office holders would have to resign.
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I do not know Martin, I just want the truth about Obama, I have alot to lose with him and Durbin being my Senators!
When I have more time, I'm going to pull Osama/Obama's entire list of muslim benefactors. They're trying to sneak one of their own into the Senate and it's time for Obama/Osama to be exposed.
So I'm not alone. We must have struck a nerve.
Anyone else being harassed by Obama supporters?
In his book he stated he was as a boy, but now claims Catholicism
Silly, I meant two lovely ladies from TM who have been working on researching Obama ;)
As I've been saying, though, this is all besides the point. I'm trying to correct the errors as people make them about what Obama believes, but I'm quickly beginning to see that I cannot keep up with all of them. Therefore, I will abandon this thread and leave the posters to their own devices.
To anyone who wants to start digging into Osama's muslim benefactors. Just enter "Obama" in the "Recipient" field.
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.asp
I have hitched my 'wagon' to :
Dr. Alan Keyes!
Do you get that?
He was my choice in the presidential primary, he is my choice for Senate here and I thank him for coming to Illinois!
Obama was actually born in Hawaii. His father, also named Barack Obama, was a foreign student there. His mother, Ann, was white, and only eighteen when she married his father. She and her parents, originally from Kansas, had moved to Honolulu. When her husband left for Harvard, she and their toddler stayed behindthere was no money in his scholarship for them to go Eastand the father ultimately returned alone to Kenya, where he worked as a government economist. Baracks mothers second marriage, to an Indonesian oil manager, occasioned a move to Jakarta, when Barack was six. He lived there for four years, and in his book he writes about his time in Indonesia as simultaneously lush and a harrowing exposure to tropical povertymore harrowing, perhaps, for his mother than for the little boy who barely remembered any other life. Then Barack returned to Hawaii, where he was brought up largely by his grandparents. The family lived in a small apartmentBaracks grandfather was a furniture salesman and, later, an unsuccessful insurance agent; his grandmother worked in a bankbut Barack managed to get into Punahou School, Hawaiis top prep academy. His mother always said that he got his brains from his father, and he was raised on tales of his fathers brilliance. The great man wrote to them regularly, but, though he travelled around the world on official business for Kenya, he visited only once, when Barack was ten.
I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator ( Obama) and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, ...
"So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.
That depends, Obama says, on how a particular verse from the Gospel of John, where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me," is heard.
THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A CHRISTIAN , BUT SOMEONE SIMPLY PLAYING POLITICS.
Keyes is not the topic of this thread. Obama is, and the messenger is flawed.
I know there are many Jewish areas with multiple businesses, in advertising I do not know
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