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To: Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave
"At the same time, the governor said he will continue to insist that any driver's license state lawmakers vote to extend to undocumented workers be different from licenses issued to citizens - in part because of concerns that the state cannot trust the legitimacy of Mexican identification cards that would be used to verify applicants' identities."

Arnold has already won this fight by shaping the terms of the debate *after* killing the real California Driver's licenses for Illegals that was law under Gray Davis.

Contrary to what La Raza wants, Arnold now has California legislators focused on creating a *different* driver's license for illegals.

Now we can hoot an holler about what nonsense it is to create a legal document for illegals, but that misses the point.

La Raza doesn't want driver's licenses. That's not what this is about. La Raza wants illegals to have the same documentation as legal residents so that illegals can't be differentiated from legals. Heck, Mexican driver's licenses are *already* valid in California...illegals have no "driving need" for a new California license. What they want, however, is a convenient document that opens all of the doors for illegals that are currently open to legal residents, and the California Driver's License is merely an excuse for getting that document.

But Arnold has used their own words against them. After repealing their valid driver's licenses for illegals, he's now got the Legislature talking about a new, *different* kind of driving license.

With that new license, illegals will gain nothing. Worse, for La Raza at least, illegals would have to *register* with the state government to obtain this redundant driver's license (remember, their Mexican driver's license is already valid, so a new California license is redundant). But after registering with the state for this new license, it will still be possible to differentiate between legals and illegals.

Illegals will have Arnold's new, *different* driver's license (which will function no differently than their current Mexican Driver's License). Legal residents, on the other hand, will still have California's traditional driver's license.

This is political jujitsu at its finest. California Dems get to pass a driver's license law for illegals, yet the new document is worth no more to illegals than their old Mexican license.

What we *don't* want is for California to reinstate Gray Davis' real driver's license for illegals law. That law was giving illegal aliens the *same* driver's license that every legal resident in California possesses. That's unacceptable.

A *different* driver's license, however, is not only acceptable, it is a thing of beauty. Illegals have to register with the government to get it, have to show proof of insurance to get it, have to pay taxes to get it, and it gives them *nothing* more than they already get with their Mexican driver's licenses.

Same California license for illegals = Bad.
Different California license for illegals = Brilliant.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

20 posted on 08/11/2004 9:35:50 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Interesting take,, thanks for sharing it.


24 posted on 08/11/2004 10:03:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Proud member of the FR Special Ops manuremovers crew .. moving manure&opinion since '96)
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To: Southack
This is political jujitsu at its finest. California Dems get to pass a driver's license law for illegals, yet the new document is worth no more to illegals than their old Mexican license.

I hadn't looked at it this way... thanks for your commentary and insight :-)

26 posted on 08/11/2004 10:08:11 AM PDT by Tamzee (Tell me honestly, Honey... do these classified documents make me look fat?)
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To: Southack
A *different* driver's license, however, is not only acceptable, it is a thing of beauty. Illegals have to register with the government to get it, have to show proof of insurance to get it, have to pay taxes to get it, and it gives them *nothing* more than they already get with their Mexican driver's licenses.

I don't know how things are down in 'Bama but here in CA if you think that illegals are going to line up to get a driver's license and then rush out and pay for auto insurance, you've got cotton stuffed between your ears! ROFLMAO

For ya'll down South and the rest of you "out-of-staters", this BS of allowing illegals to obtain a driver's license has nothing to do with driving and everything to do with Motor Voter(ya see the 'Rats want to be able to get their illegal Hispanic friends the opportunity to go down to the DMV and obtain a driver's license and then go to the next window and register to vote...

Anyone from Mexico or anywhere else in the world does not need a CA driver's license to drive in CA or anywhere else in America as long as they have a legal driver's license from the country from whence they came...

Different California license for illegals = SCAM!
27 posted on 08/11/2004 10:12:59 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Southack

I hope you're right about this, but it doesn't begin to solve the problem of all the benefits that the millions of illegals here are receiving (schooling, medical, housing, food stamps, etc.etc.etc.) now while they continue to rape California taxpayers. Arnold never did have my vote, and that opinion continues. What a disappointment he is!


28 posted on 08/11/2004 10:17:04 AM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: Southack
A *different* driver's license, however, is not only acceptable, it is a thing of beauty.

Good Luck, on this *different* type of DL....

Here you see Tennessee spent much time, effort, & TAXDOLLARS to issue illegals a *different* type DL.

Six weeks later the usual suspects filed a lawsuit claiming these *different* licenses were *discriminatory*.

http://www.tennessean.com/government/archives/04/07/54321069.shtml?Element_ID=54321069

43 posted on 08/11/2004 11:00:37 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Southack
Now we can hoot an holler about what nonsense it is to create a legal document for illegals, but that misses the point.

It is EXACTLY the point.

BTW who is the "we" Southack? It certainly isn't you since you aren't a California resident.

While I'm on the subject it should be obvious to all that I'm fed up with out-of-state Republican loyalist showing up on the California Topic trying to convince newbies that some how surrendering conservative principals is necessary to incrementally advance conservative principals. That may fly in Alabama but it don't cut it in California. The voters tried that last November and now look at the mess the state is in. Higher taxes, increased spending and increased indebtedness.

I'll promise to stay completely out of Alabama politics if you'll stay closer to home. Please go harass the conservatives on the Texas Topic.

72 posted on 08/11/2004 6:02:58 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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