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Illinois senate race, Version 2.0
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 8/12/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 08/11/2004 5:42:04 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Illinois senate race, Version 2.0

Random observations as we now move onto the real contest:

Much will be made about Alan Keyes not being an Illinois resident. It’s a little late to whine about that. For a couple of hundred years, the U.S. Constitution has simply required a senatorial candidate "be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen." Dr. Keyes didn’t force himself on Illinois. He was asked to run. The carpetbagger talk and Keyes’ criticism of Hillary will fade quickly as the public’s focus moves on. One thing the Alan Keyes selection made painfully apparent was how pitiable the Illinois Republican Party — or at least the tattered remnants that remain of it — is. More than 12 million Illinoisans, and the state GOP had to get someone from Maryland to run. That’s what years of Jim Thompson, Jim Edgar and George Ryan in the governor’s mansion did. Thompson and Edgar blurred the distinction between the parties with a squishy soft moderation that made elections more personality contests than competitions between differing philosophical values. Ryan continued the party’s erosion, accelerating it with his own form of corruption. Since the weakened GOP can’t provide any support, it has to look to rich folks who can fund their own campaigns. The party couldn’t find an acceptable one after Jack Ryan, so it opted for a candidate who’s known by conservatives across the country.

Alan has his own financial problems. He owes money from past campaigns as well as back Maryland taxes. Obviously, the party is hoping Ambassador Keyes will bring in contributions from out of state. I think he’ll do that, but there’s no way that he’ll come close to matching his opponent’s $10 million.

That being the case, Mr. Keyes needs as much free publicity as he can get. No doubt he hoped to have several debates that would give him needed exposure. His opponent is already backing away from his call for there to be six debates. Three may be good, or possibly just two. Funny, isn’t it, how the golden boy of the Democratic Party has gotten camera shy so suddenly?

Whatever debates there are will be a hoot. Mr. Obama gives good TelePrompTer, but in a one-on-one situation, can he do as well? Mr. Keyes’ oratory is among his strongest points. He speaks in complete sentences, and uses logic and thoughtful reasoning. Whether this will fly with Illinois voters is uncertain. Still, both candidates appear quick-witted and watching their dueling philosophies should be a treat. As a Keyes supporter (you knew that, didn’t you?), I only hope the ambassador takes it easy with assertions, such as he made Sunday, that he has confidence "because the victory is for God." Rhetoric like that scares many people.

I don’t believe Mr. Keyes’ candidacy will prop up the state party enough for President Bush to win here. At the same time, having a decent standard bearer for the senate may help save some Republican scalps further down on the ticket. As bumbling as the GOP is, I was waiting for them to slate George Ryan to replace Jack.

With Jack Ryan finally and officially out of the race, I’m sure going to miss those pictures of his ex-wife.

With Mr. Keyes in the race, Barack Obama will not be able to effortlessly slide to victory with no opposition. He’ll have to campaign in Illinois, keeping him out of other states in which his media-awarded "rock star" status may have helped other Democrats win.

Alan Keyes and Barack Obama offer a real choice between the liberal and conservative viewpoints. They have completely different visions of what government should do and what its role in our daily lives should be.

The rest of America will closely watch the Illinois senate race. In this, it resembles another Illinois senatorial match up, the one between Stephen A. Douglas and Abraham Lincoln. You may recall that Democrat Douglas won that election. Odds are heavily in favor of another Democratic win this year. But Alan Keyes isn’t going down without a fight.

Mike Bates' new book, Right Angles and Other Obstinate Truths, is available at Barnesandnoble.com, Booksamillion.com, Amazon.com or iUniverse.com and can be ordered through most bookstores.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: illinoisgop; keyes; lincolndouglas; obama; ryan
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To: BikerNYC
If you have a problem with the way your Senator is acting what are you going to do? Before the 17th A. the people of a state could put pressure on their elected legilators and he could be fired. Replaced. On the spot.

Now you can hope that your other Senator and the Senators of all the other states will give a rat's heiny what you think and censure one of their own. Snowball's chance.

Or you wait until he's up for election and fight the national machine that he has endeared himself to, indebted himself to, done favors for and hope your up-and-coming grassroots homeboy can unseat him.

21 posted on 08/11/2004 8:04:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
The solution to that is put recall procedures into place, similar to those that took out Gray Davis, not to disenfranchise the elctorate and revert to a corrupt system of backroom deals in which the most powerful state officials got to send their personal fair-haired boys to Washington.

I guess it's a matter of trust. Who do you trust more to be the decision-maker of who gets to represent the interests of a state's residents in Washington: the state's electorate or the state's elected officials?
22 posted on 08/11/2004 8:17:27 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
More stable and better informed? Give me a break.

What motivated the average voter? What does the average voter know about the state's finances, resources, industry etc, etc.? The people of a state can keep track of local issues better, in terms of what their elected officials are doing, and have a greater effect on their willingness to comply with their wishes. So you hire people with experience that applies to your state.

You seem to be arguing that self-government is just tooo harrrrd and it's better to let the feds run it. That's what the 17th Amendment lends itself to. Do the people of a state have more say-so over their state by directly electing two U.S. Senators or by electing state officials (whose jobs are beholden to voters in specific districts of that state) who then appoint two Senators who must answer to them or be yanked?

It's the same as the Electoral College debate. Does that disenfranchise the people? It keeps the liberal eastern cities from ruling over the rural western states with redistributionist policies.

23 posted on 08/11/2004 8:18:14 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: BikerNYC
I guess it depends on who you trust to pull the levers. 90% of the people who vote vote for the best looking candidate. Or more likely the one who says he will give them something.

It was a Republic. And we lost it.

24 posted on 08/11/2004 8:21:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
You seem to be arguing that self-government is just tooo harrrrd and it's better to let the feds run it.

On the contrary, your way is too easy. I want the local folks to run it, and when I say folks, I mean folks. State elected officials often cannot agree to enact a state budget as required by law. I do not expect them to be able to choose a Senator to represent me better than I can choose a Senator to represent me.

Self-government is just that. It begins with me. When we elect a representative ourselves, we get what we deserve. When we let others elect one for us, we usually get worse.

The people of a state have more say-so over who goes to Washington when they decide who goes, not when others decide for them.
25 posted on 08/11/2004 8:27:36 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC

I'm glad to hear that your Senators represent you so well.


26 posted on 08/11/2004 8:31:22 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
The NY electorate got what it deserves. It wasn't my choice, but I respect my fellow voters and don't dis their right to vote for the senate candidate of their choice just because my canditate didn't win this time.
27 posted on 08/11/2004 8:38:03 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC

I thought we were talking about electing a Senator who would best represent the interests of the state not your personal feelings about voters or getting your own personal interests represented?


28 posted on 08/11/2004 9:16:19 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: BikerNYC
The NY electorate got what it deserves.

It was just this sort of selfish attitude (sorry, I can't put it any other way) that the people who promoted the 17th Amendment were counting on. Hill and Chuck were elected by a majority vote of NY state. Most people in NY live in NYC. People in NYC have decidedly different interests than most of the rest of NYrs. They also don't know or don't understand very well the issues of upstate NYrs. But they have the majority so they elect the Sen.'s. Mob rule.

If anyone in NY is represented by them it's NYC and surrounding burbs. Wouldn't it be fairer (and better for the whole state) if they were selected by representatives from all around the state? Like state legislators who come from districts all around the state? That way they would serve the interests of ALL the people, at least a little moreso. Wouldn't that give the conservative folks in rural NY a little more say in things? Or do they deserve what they get?

29 posted on 08/11/2004 9:42:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: BikerNYC
When we elect a representative ourselves, we get what we deserve. When we let others elect one for us, we usually get worse.

Is that what happened with the Electoral College in 2000?

30 posted on 08/11/2004 12:54:17 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Did I mention I'm peddling a book?)
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To: TigersEye

What are the interests of a State other than the cummulative interests of those who reside within the State?


31 posted on 08/11/2004 1:07:45 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: TigersEye

What you are arguing for is smaller states, so that minorities in parts of existing states can send their own senators to DC. That's fine with me. Go draw the new map.


32 posted on 08/11/2004 1:09:48 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: TigersEye

"Wouldn't it be fairer (and better for the whole state) if they were selected by representatives from all around the state? Like state legislators who come from districts all around the state? That way they would serve the interests of ALL the people, at least a little moreso. Wouldn't that give the conservative folks in rural NY a little more say in things? Or do they deserve what they get?"

Fairer for who? Looks like someone is trying to 'rig the system' to get a desired result. Why should a citizen have less of a vote based on where they live? Why not base it on; income, eye color, height (tall people get 1/2 vote)...?


33 posted on 08/11/2004 1:16:46 PM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping)
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To: BikerNYC

The idea was the Senators served only at the sufferance of the state legislature, they didn't even have terms, one bad vote could get you yanked. What kind of Senators you would appoint was a campaign issue for people running for the legislature, and it made the Senate representation an extension of the state government. Now with the 6 year terms and most states not even having recall possibilities a Senator can do what they want for 6 years and the people they're representing are SOL. It takes away power from the electorate and weakens the concept of what the Senate is supposed to be.


34 posted on 08/11/2004 1:18:02 PM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
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To: BikerNYC; Mike Bates; TigersEye
I understand the point, but what state interests does a Senator have to represent other than the interests of the state's electorate?

I'll give you an example: the two U.S. Senators supposedly from Michigan, really are from Detroit and its immediate suburbs. The rest of the State is not represented - Michigan as a whole, is not merely Detroit.

By mandating popular election of Senators, the power of the urban areas made a dramatic jump. By returning to a state legislature election, the outstate interests might just get a hearing.

35 posted on 08/11/2004 1:21:49 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
You are right to the extent that the interests of those on the losing side of an election are not represented by the winning candidate. But, hey, what can ya do? Someone's gotta lose. How does the legislature's decision to pick someone outside of Detroit help represent the interests of those in Detroit? Either way, sonone's gonna lose.
36 posted on 08/11/2004 1:27:38 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Mike Bates

To think that in a matter of days we went from draft Ditka to draft Keyes ....


37 posted on 08/11/2004 1:29:05 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: BikerNYC
You are right to the extent that the interests of those on the losing side of an election are not represented by the winning candidate. But, hey, what can ya do? Someone's gotta lose.

True, but, by allowing a candidate to coast to victory on the votes from one area, that causes the rest of the State's interests to be ignored. Why should they pay any attention to outstate? The outstaters' votes couldn't unseat the Senator, even if they were all for the opponent.

38 posted on 08/11/2004 1:54:42 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
I understand your point. I hear the same thing in NYC, that those who live on the westside don't have the interests of those who live on the eastside at heart, and all of them don't care at all about those who live downtown.

Your argument suggests that we should have smaller states. The boundaries we have now need not remain the same forever. I'm fine with 100 states rather than 50.
39 posted on 08/11/2004 2:00:08 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: sphinx
To think that in a matter of days we went from draft Ditka to draft Keyes ....

I think Disraeli said that desperation is sometimes as powerful an inspirer as genius. And, boy, the state GOP was desperate.

40 posted on 08/11/2004 2:01:24 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Did I mention I'm peddling a book?)
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