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Hand over nuclear weapons and know-how, Iran tells Britain
Telegraph (UK) ^
| 2004-08-10
Posted on 08/10/2004 4:56:49 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Ethyl
What are the bargaining chips of North Korea? Saving South Korea? I don't see much difference in what Iran's bargaining chips might be?North Korea has actual, working nuclear bombs, and the missiles to launch them. They could hit Japan or South Korea with no warning, and have an outside chance of hitting U.S. soil if they tried. (Only Alaska, Hawaii, or maybe one city on the Pacific Ocean like Seattla or L.A. if they were really lucky, but that's enough.)
Iran has nothing.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:44:24 PM PDT
by
Dont Mention the War
(we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
To: francisurquhart; Ghost of Philip Marlowe
If two nations at war are negotiating- and things are moving along fine- and one nation suddenly demands the other nation hand over its capital and disband its army, the power who made such demands has decided to stop talking.
Welcome Francis. Good analysis, and no doubt true.
I think as Ghost of Philip Marlowe suggests this action must be viewed in the context of our forces on their East & West flank. A negotiator could also take their ridiculous demands as a sign that they are desperate.
Desperation and fear can work to our benefit. Their own people are watching their behavior. No doubt it plays well to the Islamakazis but I'm sure it's also galvanizing feelings on the pro-democracy front.
It's the associated rash acts, which the fear thereof they are intentionally feeding with their approach, that we must be on guard for. We have many smart folks who are gaming this, I'm sure, while we ponder the situation.
There are many passionate about Iran here. You're in good company and I look forward to your future posts.
LBT
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:44:43 PM PDT
by
LiberalBassTurds
(Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
To: Clive; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee; Squantos; Southack; ASA Vet; risk; Dog; Dog Gone; ...
Actually, I look at this as they are having problems building their nuclear weapons and need help urgently.
Having the typical fecal matter brain material that makes up the non linear thinking CNS of the Islamofascists, they decided to "force" the EU to help them.
If the EU (France/Germany/Russia don't help Iran, Iran will suffer a regime change like the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq. Then, the Eurotrash will lose a lot money as the mass Murdering Mullahs will either be dead or have no power to order war toys like nuclear weapon capability.
The Euro Trash's favorite Uncle, Uncle Soddomite hasn't ordered much from the Eurotrash nations in the past year has he?
So this is an urgent plea from the mass murdering mullahs to the Euro weanies to save the butts of the mullahs by providing with the know how to make nuclear weapons.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:45:11 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
To: Clive
I'm all for giving Iran nuclear technology.Pre-fabricated and air-mail delivered.
To: francisurquhart
A completely irrelevant sidenote to the conversation, but I had to let you know you chose a great user name! Welcome to FR!
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:45:47 PM PDT
by
Dont Mention the War
(we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
To: RightWhale
Interesting Nova program on right now. Hi tech US weaponry, when it works, transformation....smaller forces, rapid deployment, 19 days to reach Baghdad. Logistics problems, more liberal yada yada, many Iraqi casualties, picture of child in hospital. Attempt to kill Saddam during first days, outdated information, so civilians killed. Sorry, that's what war is about. Breaking things and killing the enemy. PBS and the rest of the liberal idiots think WAR IS INSANE. All we need to to sit down and talk things over. We have the NYTimes and the rest of the usual liberal suspects bad mouthing the military. The US didn't commit enough troops. We're hard pressed to contain insurgent attacks. Well, not if we take the gloves off. They understand force, a hit upside the head. They don't understand PC baloney.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:45:51 PM PDT
by
hershey
To: francisurquhart
" I truly doubt if the US would use nuclear weapons upon anything other than a military target in retalliation." There's no need for nuclear weapons in this theatre.
Welcome aboard.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:46:36 PM PDT
by
blam
To: RightWhale
Who is Iran's sponsor?
Russia?
China?
Who would decide to stand or fall with the fried in Iran?
France?
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:46:41 PM PDT
by
Robert_Paulson2
(the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
To: Robert_Paulson2
I wish you were right. But liberal-demokkkRAT PC-crap
has suddenly castrated us in Najaf, Mosul, Baghdad etc, and we are being neutered in the WOT.
If you are correct, I'll buy beer and pizza for all on FR.com, and for you, for life.
IMO, Israel will do the deed, simply because *they live there, and have to protect their homeland*. We don't.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:47:24 PM PDT
by
7.62 x 51mm
(• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
To: rudypoot
Agreed. These guys are nuttier than TaRAYza!
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:47:39 PM PDT
by
rintense
(Results matter.)
To: RightWhale
True, we'll cover Israel's bet here. But if we hesitate, Israel won't.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:48:00 PM PDT
by
hershey
To: Young Werther
"Thank you Jimmy Carter for replacing a US Ally, (the Shah) with a "religious theocracy"."
We can't thank Jimmy Carter for this entire cycle of Islamofascist terrorism. He allowed the mass murdering mullahs, the puppets of the USSR and Saudi Arabia to overthrow the Shah, and he did nothing besides make our military and intel weaker each day while he was our president.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:48:16 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
To: Robert_Paulson2
Russia is in business with Iran, that's one thing. China is sponsoring Iran, that's a diferent matter. China may decide to move on Taiwan if the balloons go up in Iran.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:48:47 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
To: MJY1288; All
With all due respect...those of you who are pinning any hope at all on a "student uprising" in Iran are living in the land of make believe. They have no 2nd amendment in Iran. They have no weapons...the Mullahs and their kerrorists allies do. We are a little tied up right now and don't have time to waste hoping for a hissy fit from kids whose parents put these nitwits in charge in the first place to save us or themselves.
We must give them one last ultimatum...and then let loose with absurd amounts of air power on every possible nuke site within their borders. Without the U.N....without the EU-3 or 12 or whatever. Without your dry white toast, without your four fried chickens, and without Matt Guitar Murphy or whatever....( This Blues Brothers moment brought to by the B-2 bomber...bringing the blues to a Mullah near you. )
JMO of course. May the force be with us.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:48:54 PM PDT
by
JediForce
(Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
To: Dont Mention the War
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:49:09 PM PDT
by
francisurquhart
(You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.)
To: francisurquhart
This is dangerous. Iran wouldn't behave this way if they weren't right on the verge of getting nukes. That's exactly what I was thinking -- or they already have them.
It almost sounds as if they're trying to provoke an excuse to use them.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:49:22 PM PDT
by
Ichneumon
("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
To: RightWhale
any verification of how many carrier groups in the Taiwan theatre?
anybody?
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:50:14 PM PDT
by
Robert_Paulson2
(the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
To: Clive
"Iran has issued an extraordinary list of demands to Britain and other European countries, telling them to provide advanced nuclear technology, conventional weapons and a security guarantee against nuclear attack by Israel. "
I could just picture the response:
Dear Sirs,
But of course. We will gladly comply. However, logistics would require us to spend years transferring such knowledge to you, so we have come up with a better plan.
We will gladly supply you with first hand knowledge one bomb at a time, starting in about 15 minutes.
Have a nice day.
To: Clive
What the hell, Give Iran the nuclear technology...pointy end first.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:50:25 PM PDT
by
hattend
(I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
To: francisurquhart
"Make sure to save copies of where John Kerry declared that his plan for dealing with Iran was to give them "nuclear fuel" so long as they promised not to use it to make bombs. In the Kerry campaign's typically Orwellian way, I imagine that it will be "dissappeared" soon."
Do you have any links to al Kerri's statement on this. If so please post the links and his complete statement asap here on Free Republic or they will disappear.
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posted on
08/10/2004 5:50:30 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Has the Franchurian Dork candidate, le Jacquestrap Kerri ever not lied to Americans!")
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