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John Kerry - March 27, 1986 Senate Speech (Christmas in Cambodia)
JustOneMinute Blog / Senate Transcript ^ | 8/7/04 | John Kerry

Posted on 08/07/2004 11:59:31 PM PDT by Steven W.

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To: Steven W.
News flash: In that 1986 speech, Kerry implied Nixon was responsible for the 16,000 US deaths that occurred in Vietnam in 1968, when Johnson was really still President.

Kerry implied Nixon was responsible for 36,000 deaths in Vietnam.

I remember a politician who ran for President in 1968 with the secret plan for peace, and he was elected. ... At the time that [Nixon] ran there were only 22,000 or so names eligible to be on the wall down there at the Mall. When he finished, there were 58,000.
In other words Kerry is implying that Nixon was responsible to 36,000 Vietnam deaths.


In reality,about 20,000 men died during all the years of Nixon's presidency.

Here are the Vietnam statistics and you can see for yourselves that about 16,000 deaths occurred in 1968, when Johnson was President.

Year of Death or Declaration of Death Number of Records
1956-1960 9
1961 16
1962 52
1963 118
1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16,592
1969 11,616
1970 6,081
1971 2,357
1972 641
1973 168

21 posted on 08/08/2004 1:29:49 AM PDT by syriacus (Let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

With these own 2 ears of mine, firmly attached to the sides of my head, I have heard Kerry speak of Mr. Nixons war.

There is no acknowledgement that Vietnam was JFK's project and the dramatic escalation happened under Johnson. Nixon inherited their blunders...

The left has tried and nearly succeeded in placing all the blame at the feet of Pres Nixon. Their primary tactic is obfucation.


22 posted on 08/08/2004 1:40:48 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Kerry/Edwards. A pig in a dress is still a pig.)
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To: Steven W.

The gunner on Kerry's swiftboat was interviewed by Savage. I believe that the gunner said he was with Kerry from Nov to Jan at that time. This guy spoke out against Kerry, and should have info concerning where Kerry was at Christmas that year.


23 posted on 08/08/2004 1:48:49 AM PDT by tkathy (The choice is clear. Big tent or no tent.)
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Savage: ... it is shocking, just shocking that Kerry's controversial war record is not being picked up by the major media. They're trying to sweep it under the rug. We know that there is a government-media complex. We know that if George Bush so much as breaks a hang-nail, they imply that it was because he was drunk and slipped on an ice cube that fell out of his drink. ... But something as serious as this, particularly when Kerry is wearing his war record on his sleeve, needs to be talked about, and we are talking about it and on right now The Savage Nation is Steve Gardner, who served on a boat with John Kerry. This is no longer like third, you know, hand, and he was his machine gunner. Steve, welcome back to The Savage Nation. Gardner: Listen, and here's the thing too, what we need to ... I want to get this in here because I know you've got a very short amount of time. They call it the Cambodian, ah Christmas in Cambodia. Savage: Yes.
Gardner: This is something that John Kerry has been boasted [had posted???] and all of a sudden dropped, well the reason why he dropped it was he didn't realize ... again, we were going to delve into everything that he did so we could get this out in front of everybody ... we were never in Cambodia ...ever. We were never even within 50 miles [verbal emphasis] of Cambodia. Heh, the killer part of this that John Kerry never got close enough up there to look and see and wonder why? Because they had a LCV [?] set up there already at the apex of this river that was the only entrance to [verbal emphasis] get into Cambodia on the canal ...
24 posted on 08/08/2004 2:55:48 AM PDT by A. Morgan (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchi)
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To: Steven W.
I don't think he was ORDERED into Cambodia, it is more like in the heat of battle he 'STRAYED' into Cambodia.

bostonglobe 7 part series

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/16/2003

The Christmas Eve truce of 1968 was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around John Forbes Kerry and his five-man crew on a 50-foot aluminum boat near Cambodia. ''Where is the enemy?'' a crewmate shouted.

In the distance, an elderly man was tending his water buffalo -- and serving as human cover for a dozen Viet Cong manning a machine-gun nest.

"Open fire; let's take 'em," Kerry ordered, according to his second-in-command, James Wasser of Illinois. Wasser blasted away with his M-60, hitting the old man, who slumped into the water, presumably dead. With a clear path to the enemy, the fusillade from Kerry's Navy boat, backed by a pair of other small vessels, silenced the machine-gun nest.

When it was over, the Viet Cong were dead, wounded, or on the run. A civilian apparently was killed, and two South Vietnamese allies who had alerted Kerry's crew to the enemy were either wounded or killed.

On the same night, Kerry and his crew had come within a half-inch of being killed by "friendly fire," when some South Vietnamese allies launched several rounds into the river to celebrate the holiday.

To top it off, Kerry said, he had gone several miles inside Cambodia, which theoretically was off limits, prompting Kerry to send a sarcastic message to his superiors that he was writing from the Navy's "most inland" unit.

Back at his base, a weary, disconsolate Kerry sat at his typewriter, as he often did, and poured out his grief. "You hope that they'll courtmartial you or something because that would make sense," Kerry typed that night. He would later recall using court-martial as "a joke," because nothing made sense to him -- the war policy, the deaths, and his presence in the middle of it all.

25 posted on 08/08/2004 3:52:34 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Yes, I've heard Mr. Kerry call it Mr. Nixon's war too. I was just pointing out that, in his 1986 comments in the Senate record, he does not state that Mr. Nixon was president when he was supposedly in Cambodia.


26 posted on 08/08/2004 8:09:08 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: A. Morgan
thanks for posting that - I heard that part and Gardner did a good job of picking up on public discourse that's arisen over the subject but Savage didn't seem to sense the implications & was still a little more overwhelmed by the other charges.

One thing about the Christmas in Cambodia lie is that it pits John Kerry's stories against John Kerry himself and common sense without the need for third parties to confirm or deny anything. The fact there is added ammunition in the form of Gardner's testimony and records Kerry won't release only increases the credibility gap of Kerry.

27 posted on 08/08/2004 9:41:58 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

so Kerry's saying that LBJ lied about the war to him? hahaha


28 posted on 08/08/2004 1:37:57 PM PDT by votelife (Calling abortion a women's issue is like calling war a men's issue!)
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To: votelife
it's either that or something else ... anyway his story is cooked and it's clear for anybody to see he's a phony & everything else the vets have to say is likely true and then some!
29 posted on 08/08/2004 5:42:02 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
There is a hardcopy of this speech as originally procured by instapundit posted on the first page of this thread here
30 posted on 08/08/2004 5:43:16 PM PDT by Steven W.
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