Posted on 08/06/2004 3:10:41 PM PDT by republicanwizard
This is a bit of a shocker. Rodney Alexander would have won easily no matter what party he belonged to. Bayou love their incumbents. Moreoever, the LA-05 has shown a distinct RAT trend in the 2003 elections. I guess Nancy Pelosi has little tolerance for diverse viewpoints.
Sure she has tolerance for diverse viewpoints. Socialism AND Marxism.
Good news. Thanks for the post. Thanks to everyone for all of the information on Rodney Alexander. Welcome aboard Congressman!
There is no way the 3rd and 5th districts as currently drawn will elect a demonrat.
Virginia has changed greatly over the years. The suburbs of Washington, D.C., collectively known as Northern Virginia, are rapidly growing with northern migrants and government workers. These communities are more liberal than the rest of the state, and are the fastest-growing part of the state. They voted for Gore in 2000, and will support Kerry this time.
I'm not saying Kerry is favored to win, but he has a shot due to demographics.
Virginia has changed greatly over the years. The suburbs of Washington, D.C., collectively known as Northern Virginia, are rapidly growing with northern migrants and government workers. These communities are more liberal than the rest of the state, and are the fastest-growing part of the state. They voted for Gore in 2000, and will support Kerry this time.
I'm not saying Kerry is favored to win, but he has a shot due to demographics.
Having lived in Fairfax County since 1976, I am aware of the infrastructure and population change of the area, but Northern Virginia went for Bush in 2000 by a little over 2%, while the Commonwealth as a whole favored Bush by about 8% over Gore. Sometimes the liberal bastions of Alexandria and Arlington mask the fact that since 1952, Northern Virginia as a whole always comes (with the exception of the Goldwater blowout of 1964) through for the Republican presidential candidate, a record that no other region of the Commonwealth can claim. Northern Virginia is doing just fine. Remember that to liberals Virginia is a black-hole in which they live to throw away their presidential votes...
Now one of the common themes in many of the above quotes is the fear that Virginia might slowly flip to the Democrats in Presidential elections because of changing demographics due to the overwhelming influx of damnyankees to what is commonly termed "Northern Virginia". I disagree. My contention is that Northern Virginia is one of the most reliably Republican areas in Presidential elections since the 1952 first-term election of Eisenhower. The margin of victory may vary, but it is victory nonetheless...
Now it is somewhat hard to pin down exactly what is meant by the term "Northern Virginia" as may be read in the article Where is Northern Virginia? by a Mr. Risse. I have my definition of "Northern Virginia" for the purposes of this political discourse. My belief is that Northern Virginia consists of the Counties of Arlington, Clarke, Fairfax, Fauquier, Frederick, Loudoun, Prince William, Shenandoah, Stafford and Warren. Inside this geographic area are the independent Cities of Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Manassas, Manassas Park and Winchester. (Yes there is both a Fairfax County and an independent Fairfax City inside the County for those not familiar with Virginia)
Now let us look at some Virginia voting history in the Presidential elections held since the end of Reconstruction. Virginia voted for the Democrat nominee from post Reconstruction (1876) to 1948 every time with the single exception of her 1928 Republican vote for Herbert Hoover. Virginia has voted since 1952 to the present day for the Republican nominee every time with the single exception of her 1964 Democrat vote for Lyndon Johnson.
I detect a pattern.
Virginia Presidential Voting
1892 - 2000
Year Total Vote D R I Margin %Margin Dem. Rep. Ind. Oth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2000 2,739,447 2 1 3 220,200 8.04% 44.44% 52.47% 2.17% 0.92% 1996 2,416,642 2 1 3 47,290 1.96% 45.15% 47.10% 6.62% 1.13% 1992 2,558,665 2 1 3 111,867 4.37% 40.59% 44.97% 13.63% 0.82% 1988 2,191,609 2 1 449,363 20.50% 39.23% 59.74% 0.00% 1.03% 1984 2,146,635 2 1 540,828 25.19% 37.09% 62.29% 0.00% 0.62% 1980 1,866,032 2 1 3 237,435 12.72% 40.31% 53.03% 5.11% 1.55% 1976 1,697,094 2 1 22,658 1.34% 47.96% 49.29% 0.00% 2.75% 1972 1,457,019 2 1 549,606 37.72% 30.12% 67.84% 0.00% 2.03% 1968 1,361,491 2 1 3 147,932 10.87% 32.49% 43.36% 23.64% 0.51% 1964 1,042,267 1 2 76,704 7.36% 53.54% 46.18% 0.00% 0.28% 1960 771,449 2 1 42,194 5.47% 46.97% 52.44% 0.00% 0.60% 1956 697,978 2 1 118,699 17.01% 38.36% 55.37% 0.00% 6.27% 1952 619,689 2 1 80,360 12.97% 43.36% 56.32% 0.00% 0.32% 1948 419,256 1 2 3 28,716 6.85% 47.89% 41.04% 10.35% 0.72% 1944 388,485 1 2 97,033 24.98% 62.36% 37.39% 0.00% 0.25% 1940 346,607 1 2 126,598 36.52% 68.08% 31.55% 0.00% 0.37% 1936 334,590 1 2 136,644 40.84% 70.23% 29.39% 0.00% 0.38% 1932 297,942 1 2 114,342 38.38% 68.46% 30.09% 0.00% 1.45% 1928 305,358 2 1 24,463 8.01% 45.90% 53.91% 0.00% 0.20% 1924 223,602 1 2 3 66,404 29.70% 62.48% 32.79% 4.64% 0.09% 1920 231,033 1 2 54,214 23.47% 61.32% 37.85% 0.00% 0.83% 1916 152,025 1 2 53,456 35.16% 66.99% 31.83% 0.00% 1.18% 1912 136,975 1 2 3 67,044 48.95% 65.95% 17.00% 15.90% 1.15% 1908 137,065 1 2 30,374 22.16% 60.52% 38.36% 0.00% 1.13% 1904 130,410 1 2 32,469 24.90% 61.84% 36.95% 0.00% 1.21% 1900 264,208 1 2 30,310 11.47% 55.29% 43.82% 0.00% 0.89% 1896 294,674 1 2 19,329 6.56% 52.50% 45.94% 0.00% 1.56% 1892 292,238 1 2 3 51,038 17.46% 56.17% 38.70% 4.20% 0.93%
Source: Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections - Virginia Historical
We are most interested in the margin of victory for the 1952-2000 period and what geographical areas contributed to said margin. Outside of the LBJ (D) nationwide landslide in 1964, Northern Virginia has been going reliably Republican since 1952, something which other regions of the Commonwealth can not claim. From the ever useful web based Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Elections come the following graphics of Virginia presidential election outcomes by County/City from the years 1960 to 2000.
Source: US Election Atlas - Virginia - Presidential Election Map Comparison
Now people are always worried about the changing demographics in Virginia, especially Northern Virginia, but forget that for every liberal damnyankee who moves to this region of the Commonwealth is balanced by military retirees and defense contractors who decide to live and work in Northern Virginia. It is true that there are pockets which heavily favor Democrats such as the City of Alexandria and the County of Arlington. However, these two Democrat bastions are counter-balanced by the rest of Northern Virginia.
I have selected the detailed information for the Northern Virginia area for the elections years 1960, 1980, 2000. With these elections separated by twenty years, the two 'book-end' elections had no incumbent running for re-election; all three elections had third parties to split off the weaker Republicans and Democrats; consists of two close national elections and one national blow-out. Here is the data on how the Northern Virginia votes total in each election and how the region fares against the results and victory margin of the whole Commonwealth of Virginia.
2000 1980 1960 Counties ------------------------- -------------------------- --------------------------- Arlington Gore 60.10% 50,260 Carter 39.60% 26,502 Kennedy 48.10% 22,095 Bush 34.20% 28,555 Reagan 46.10% 30,854 Nixon 51.40% 23,632 Nader 4.70% 3,952 Anderson 12.00% 8,042 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.90% 792 Other 2.20% 1,463 Other 0.50% 250 Clarke Gore 41.00% 2,166 Carter 35.40% 1,156 Kennedy 53.20% 923 Bush 54.60% 2,883 Reagan 57.40% 1,876 Nixon 46.30% 804 Nader 3.70% 195 Anderson 5.40% 177 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.80% 40 Other 1.70% 57 Other 0.50% 9 Fairfax Gore 47.50% 196,501 Carter 30.80% 73,734 Kennedy 48.10% 26,064 Bush 48.90% 202,181 Reagan 57.40% 137,620 Nixon 51.70% 28,006 Nader 2.90% 12,201 Anderson 10.30% 24,605 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.70% 2,892 Other 1.60% 3,746 Other 0.30% 149 Fauquier Gore 35.30% 8,296 Carter 35.30% 4,119 Kennedy 47.80% 1,958 Bush 61.60% 14,456 Reagan 58.10% 6,782 Nixon 51.90% 2,123 Nader 2.40% 570 Anderson 4.70% 548 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.70% 159 Other 1.90% 221 Other 0.30% 13 Frederick Gore 32.00% 7,158 Carter 27.30% 2,948 Kennedy 45.80% 1,757 Bush 65.10% 14,574 Reagan 67.60% 7,293 Nixon 53.70% 2,061 Nader 2.20% 483 Anderson 4.20% 455 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.80% 177 Other 0.80% 91 Other 0.40% 17 Loudoun Gore 40.90% 30,938 Carter 32.70% 6,694 Kennedy 48.40% 2,399 Bush 56.10% 42,453 Reagan 58.90% 12,076 Nixon 51.00% 2,526 Nader 2.20% 1,665 Anderson 6.40% 1,312 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.80% 597 Other 2.00% 410 Other 0.60% 29 Prince William Gore 44.50% 44,745 Carter 32.70% 12,787 Kennedy 53.00% 2,987 Bush 52.50% 52,788 Reagan 59.00% 23,061 Nixon 46.50% 2,624 Nader 1.90% 1,927 Anderson 6.80% 2,676 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 1.00% 1,051 Other 1.50% 595 Other 0.50% 28 Shenandoah Gore 30.60% 4,420 Carter 28.00% 3,137 Kennedy 33.10% 2,053 Bush 66.70% 9,636 Reagan 67.10% 7,517 Nixon 66.80% 4,144 Nader 2.00% 294 Anderson 3.40% 385 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.70% 102 Other 1.50% 164 Other 0.00% 2 Stafford Gore 36.80% 12,596 Carter 34.90% 4,211 Kennedy 50.40% 1,494 Bush 60.50% 20,731 Reagan 58.80% 7,106 Nixon 48.80% 1,447 Nader 1.90% 657 Anderson 5.20% 623 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.80% 262 Other 1.10% 135 Other 0.80% 24 Warren Gore 38.60% 4,313 Carter 37.50% 2,597 Kennedy 49.70% 1,850 Bush 56.70% 6,335 Reagan 55.80% 3,861 Nixon 49.50% 1,842 Nader 2.30% 260 Anderson 4.30% 297 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 2.30% 258 Other 2.40% 165 Other 0.80% 28 Cities Alexandria Gore 60.90% 33,633 Carter 42.40% 17,134 Kennedy 52.10% 9,662 Bush 34.50% 19,043 Reagan 44.20% 17,865 Nixon 47.60% 8,826 Nader 3.80% 2,094 Anderson 11.30% 4,546 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.80% 429 Other 2.10% 843 Other 0.30% 63 Fairfax Gore 45.60% 4,361 Carter 32.70% 2,614 Part of Fairfax County until 1961 Bush 49.80% 4,762 Reagan 55.90% 4,475 Nader 3.70% 352 Anderson 10.00% 800 Other 0.80% 81 Other 1.40% 115 Falls Church Gore 55.60% 3,109 Carter 35.80% 1,703 Kennedy 51.50% 1,629 Bush 38.10% 2,131 Reagan 52.20% 2,485 Nixon 48.20% 1,525 Nader 5.10% 285 Anderson 10.40% 497 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 1.20% 68 Other 1.50% 73 Other 0.30% 11 Manassas Gore 42.40% 5,262 Carter 31.60% 1,565 Part of Prince William Bush 54.40% 6,752 Reagan 60.80% 3,009 County until 1975 Nader 1.90% 230 Anderson 6.40% 318 Other 1.30% 166 Other 1.20% 60 Manassas Park Gore 40.60% 1,048 Carter 35.60% 447 Part of Prince William Bush 56.60% 1,460 Reagan 58.10% 729 County until 1975 Nader 2.00% 51 Anderson 4.10% 52 Other 0.80% 21 Other 2.10% 26 Winchester Gore 42.10% 3,318 Carter 30.30% 2,006 Kennedy 33.90% 1,203 Bush 54.70% 4,314 Reagan 64.00% 4,240 Nixon 65.60% 2,326 Nader 2.70% 209 Anderson 4.80% 320 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.60% 45 Other 0.90% 57 Other 0.50% 16 ------------------------- -------------------------- --------------------------- Northern Virginia Gore 46.95% 412,124 Carter 33.47% 163,354 Kennedy 47.97% 76,074 Bush 49.34% 433,054 Reagan 55.49% 270,849 Nixon 51.63% 81,886 Nader 2.90% 25,425 Anderson 9.35% 45,653 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.81% 7,140 Other 1.68% 8,221 Other 0.40% 639 ========================= ========================== =========================== Total 100.00% 877,743 Total 100.00% 488,077 Total 100.00% 158,599 Margin 2.38% Bush Margin 22.02% Reagan Margin 3.66% Nixon Virginia (Total) Gore 44.44% 1,217,290 Carter 40.31% 752,174 Kennedy 46.97% 362,327 Bush 52.47% 1,437,490 Reagan 53.03% 989,609 Nixon 52.44% 404,521 Nader 2.17% 59,398 Anderson 5.11% 95,418 Unpledged 0.00% 0 Other 0.92% 25,269 Other 1.55% 28,831 Other 0.60% 4,601 ========================= ========================== =========================== Total 100.00% 2,739,447 Total 100.00% 1,866,032 Total 100.00% 771,449 Margin 8.04% Bush Margin 12.72% Reagan Margin 5.47% Nixon
Source: Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections - Virginia
So what results do we have to compare wtih two non-incumbent elections sandwiching a Southern Democrat President running for re-election in Virginia? It will be interesting to see how a Southern Republican President running for re-election fares in Virginia in 2004.
In 1960 Nixon defeated Kennedy in Virginia by 5.47%, in Northern Virginia by 3.66%. In 1980 Reagan defeated Carter in Virginia by 12.72%, in Northern Virginia by 22.02%. In 2000 Bush defeated Gore in Virginia by 8.04%, in Northern Virginia by 2.38%.
Between this data and the above listed County/City maps of the Commonwealth, I think that there is a bit too much "the sky is falling" worry by those who don't see the demographics as a roughly equal change for both Republicans and Democrats in the Northern Virginia region, which has had a Republican lead since 1952.
I hope that John Kerry throws his advertising money away in Virginia, it will do him no good in the end. Virginia (and Northern Virginia) will go for Bush in 2004, win or lose nationally. The spirit of the Army of Northern Virginia lives on...
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Quickly, I hope, the pubbies will usher that guy into the delousing chamber and give him a good shakedown, after which he can enter Summer Reprogramming Camp.
Good for him and may many more flock in.
Basnight would have to be pretty popular to win in a seat that voted 65% for Bush and 62% for Jesse Helms. Is he that popular? To say he has a chance is one thing but I can't see any dem being a lock in that district.
Basnight is supposed to be pro-life. I don't know whether his voting record bears that out or not.
All I can say is that is really good news!!! It proves that the Democrats aren't on as much of a roll as they claim.
That's quite an impressive posting. I overestimated the impact of government workers. As you pointed out, a lot of defense and intelligence deptartment workers reside in Virginia, while their more liberal education/human services/legal activist counterparts choose to live in Maryland.
Part of the alarm you speak of is that Clinton almost won Virginia twice, and Gore ran stronger in Virginia than in most southern states.
I remember his name. Did he explore a run for the house or senate in 2002?
"I also think Tennessee and North Carolina are overrepresented by Dems in their delegations, but someone who knows those states would know the specifics of how their seats are drawn up."
Only with the right candidates, I think. Isolate the Watt, Butterfield, and Chapel Hill districts and split up the rest, and you probably limit the delegation to 3 liberal Dems and 10 moderates/conservatives, mostly Republican.
He's more powerful than popular IMO, but really, which is more important? With a Democrat party 'led' by a detached governor, there are several power figures, and Basnight is one of them. I think we'll get a good picture of who's aligned with whom in 2008 when the D's need to pick a Guv nominee (assuming we aren't treated to another couple terms of Jim Hunt).
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