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Today Show on Swift Boat Ad: Ask Not if it's True; Ask if Bush Campaign Should Apologize
The Today Show

Posted on 08/06/2004 4:30:40 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

When it comes to toeing the Dem line, NBC's Campbell Brown takes a back seat to no one, including Katie Couric.

Filling in for Al-Kaety today, Brown did her best Terry McAuliffe impersonation. Interviewing Tim Russert, Brown showed a clip from the swift boat veterans' TV commercial in which a number of Kerry's fellow veterans question his honesty and integrity.

Campbell was utterly disinterested in whether the charges are true. Indeed, she effectively seemed to presume the falseness of the allegations.

She observed to Russert: "Republican Sen. John McCain says the ad is dishonest and dishonorable." She then asked: "Should the Bush campaign be doing the same thing?"

Was the ad factual? Campbell could care less. Bush must apologize!

Brown then got an answer she surely didn't want when discussion turned to Kerry's attack on W for not immediately leaving the elementary school classroom when informed of the second 9/11 plane attack. She observed: "Kerry has faulted Bush for a scene people are familiar with from Fahrenheit 911." NBC then displayed Rudy Giuliani's response: "Kerry must be frustrated if he is campaigning based on cues from Michael Moore."

Russert's response: "I'm surprised that Kerry raised it. He might be preaching to the choir. I'm not sure how it will play with independents." When someone in Russert's position says he was "surprised," you know it means that he thought it was a mistake.

Campbell concluded by asking Russert who won the week.

Russert: "What happpened after the Dem convention was that everything froze after the terror alerts. People in both camps believe any time you're talking about terror rather than the economy, it's a plus for the Bush campaign."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ads; jumpedtheshark; kerry; mediabias; nbcnews; swiftboatveterans
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To: jimbo123
Kerry must explain himself. Why did he hunt down a wounded VC teen and machinegun him in the back?

Sounds to me like that was the only thing he did that was right. No explanation needed for me.

41 posted on 08/06/2004 5:24:01 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: PGalt

Careful John, you could sprain a finger. Say, would that qualify for another Purple Heart?

42 posted on 08/06/2004 5:24:25 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah apologize right after they apologizes for accusing Bush of dragging a black man behind a pickup.


43 posted on 08/06/2004 5:24:39 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard/">Terrorist Scorecard</a>)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Why should Bush apologize, even if the allegations weren't true? It wasn't HIS people that created and ran the ad. Oh, I understand that the DNC is the pillar of honesty and integrity in advertising and all, but that aside....< /sarcasm >
44 posted on 08/06/2004 5:27:53 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: angkor
McCain, the darling of the media, has put the Kerry/Vietnam issue on the national radar. Hate him as you may (I don't like him) he has put a white hot light on this.

Think about it. McCain comes out and asks the White House to apologize. The national media says this then shows the video and brings up the issue. The White House had nothing to do with it and the media will not have an easy time of showing White House involvement. The White House gives the same old line (for now) regarding Kerry and Vietnam. Which they have to. After all, this is not "their" issue.

Now, partially because of McCain, Kerry has to respond to this. And in doing so if he starts to trash Vietnam Vet's once again as he did so many years ago he brings THAT issue up.

The conservatives, like right here on FreeRepublic, scream and holler about "Rino" McCain which makes McCain even look less like "one of us" thus giving McCain even more stature when looked at from the "left". Rememeber how the media loved him when he was running for president? They can't change their minds now. Especailly when it appears McCain is "after" the White House by asking them to do this or that.

So far, the most dangerous person to Kerry has not hit the national media. Which is the goal here. To force the big networks to put John O'Neill on TV. Remember O'Neill on Dick Cavett debating Kerry? That was great TV, great theatre. And it will be VERY difficult for the major media not to tie footage of O'Neill and Kerry from 30 years ago into the current flap over Kerry and Vietnam. O'Neill should say he will be happhy to once again debate Kerry on Vietnam. Maybe they could get Dick Cavett to moderate? LOL!

This is all great stuff! Kerry was stupid to bring Vietnam up. For so many reasons.

Kerry, of course, can kill this whole thing and make himself look fantastic by simply releasing all his military records. He he he......

Playing chess is fun.

45 posted on 08/06/2004 5:27:54 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
apologize right after they apologize for accusing Bush of dragging a black man behind a pickup.

Being a Dem means never having to say you're sorry.

46 posted on 08/06/2004 5:28:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The McCain comments made page one in my local paper....not the veterans for truth, not their accounts in the ad, just McCain's rant about them being "dishonest and dishonorable", and that "the White House should condemn the ad". This is the national liberal spin machine in action...total disregard for the real story. McCain is looking for revenge against his loss to Bush, and a cabinet post with the Kerry administration.


47 posted on 08/06/2004 5:29:47 AM PDT by toolbreaker
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I believe the title of the article is misleading

She observed to Russert: "Republican Sen. John McCain says the ad is dishonest and dishonorable." She then asked: "Should the Bush campaign be doing the same thing?"

The way I read it, she's not asking the Bush people to apologize, but to condemn the ad. Technicality, I know, but it poses an interesting question. Do you think the Bush team will condemn the ad ? If they do, will it help or hurt them ?

48 posted on 08/06/2004 5:31:35 AM PDT by BSunday (Make Moveon Move On)
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To: BSunday
Do you think the Bush team will condemn the ad ? If they do, will it help or hurt them ?

The White House has already responded. They say that they are opposed to all 527 organization ads, and point out that W has been the target of $62 million in 527 attack ads. No way will they condemn the substance of the ads.

49 posted on 08/06/2004 5:33:42 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: coloradomom

I have to say that I remember Ari Fleicher (sp?) use to be able to handle Miss Campbell handily.


50 posted on 08/06/2004 5:34:17 AM PDT by tirednvirginia ((But things are looking up!))
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To: MACVSOG68

Yes, but then he made himself out to be Sergeant York and got a Silver Star out of it.


51 posted on 08/06/2004 5:35:18 AM PDT by Bones Boy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The fact they're not asking, don't want to know, if it's true ought to tell the entire country something...


52 posted on 08/06/2004 5:36:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: toolbreaker

If he thinks Kerry will actually reward him with a cabinet post, he's a bigger fool than I thought.


53 posted on 08/06/2004 5:36:42 AM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (Democrats aren't playing with a full deck, they only use the race cards.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I didn't hear any Kerry apology for the libelous "farrenheit 911."


54 posted on 08/06/2004 5:36:51 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: BSunday
Funny how President Bush should condemn an ad that is correct, but Jean Francois sKerry won't condemn Fahrenheit 911, but uses it in campaigning.
55 posted on 08/06/2004 5:37:20 AM PDT by ConservativeBamaFan (We know too much, and are convinced of too little. --T.S. Elliot)
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To: Bones Boy
Yes, but then he made himself out to be Sergeant York and got a Silver Star out of it.

As I said, shooting the guy was the only thing he did right.

56 posted on 08/06/2004 5:37:27 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

That is an excellent stance, IMO. Condemning the general principle is at the same time attacking idiots like "moron.org" while not denying anything actually IN the ads. Very smart, imo.


57 posted on 08/06/2004 5:37:28 AM PDT by BSunday (Make Moveon Move On)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

As these (ahem) kind folks at NBC screamed for the release of ALL of GW Bush's military records when the DNC charged that he was AWOL, it seems that this 527 group, known as NBC, should also be calling for the release of ALL of Mr Kerry's military and medical records? Why is Kerry refusing to release the records? Does he have something to hide?


58 posted on 08/06/2004 5:37:31 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: mewzilla

They're demonstrating (by their failure to ask) that they feel that there is NO credibility to the charges. By not asking, they infer to the listener that there is no doubt that the charges are baseless. Bias by omission.


59 posted on 08/06/2004 5:39:26 AM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (Democrats aren't playing with a full deck, they only use the race cards.)
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To: jimbo123
Kerry must explain himself. Why did he hunt down a wounded VC teen and machinegun him in the back?

One of the swift boat vets said yesterday on Hannity that this young man had been firing at Kerry's boat, he had been "shot in the legs" by the boat's gunner, that Kerry then finished him off. Maybe he was running, and maybe he was shot in the back, but he was the ENEMY at that point, and from what little I know of VietNam, this probably was not an egregious act, simply war.

I see much more value in what the swifties are saying about the purple hearts, about the fact that someone over their heads (Ted Kennedy) overruled them, the fact that his commanders wanted him out of there, and the fact that he won't release his records to disprove what they are saying.

If we keep harping on this particular shooting, it's going to backfire on us, IMHO.

60 posted on 08/06/2004 5:39:49 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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