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To: freeeee
The girl should be prohibited from attending the school solely on the grounds that she will be disruptive. Why should her class be disrupted and learning come to a complete halt 3 or 4 times a week while this girl has her seizures? Why should the other kids in the classroom have to sit there and watch her twitch and struggle day after day instead furthering their education, as they're supposed to. And can you imagine the social humiliation this girl is going to endure? Children are cruel, and this girl is going to be teased relentlessly and excluded from just about all of her peer groups as these kids perceive her as some kind of freak. I don't care about the dog, the girl doesn't belong in a public school.
17 posted on 08/05/2004 12:36:45 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion
And can you imagine the social humiliation this girl is going to endure? Children are cruel, and this girl is going to be teased relentlessly and excluded from just about all of her peer groups as these kids perceive her as some kind of freak.

That is for her and her parents to consider and decide if they want to weather such adversity. That's isn't anyone else's concern.

Why should her class be disrupted and learning come to a complete halt 3 or 4 times a week while this girl has her seizures? Why should the other kids in the classroom have to sit there and watch her twitch and struggle day after day instead furthering their education, as they're supposed to.

I admit, this is a legitimate concern for others. A few things come to mind. First, this is a public school, and epileptics paid for it too whether they wanted to or not. If the other student's parent want a school devoid of epileptics, they can go to a private school. Second, kids learn more in school than just what's on the board. Maybe, just maybe they'll learn a valuable lesson in just how lucky they are to have their health, or what to do if someone needs medical attention?

20 posted on 08/05/2004 12:44:41 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Arthalion

Absolute utter nonsense. I went all through school--K through 12--with a girl who had epilepsy. Sure, when we were young, maybe up until second grade, her seizures were a distraction...for the first minute or two. You know what us kids learned? We learned how to deal with distraction. We also learned to be grateful that, for the most part, we were normal, healthy kids. I do not recall one single instance in which the girl was picked on, but if that had happened, I bet the kid doing the picking would have been trounced on at the playground.


29 posted on 08/05/2004 1:08:10 PM PDT by grellis (No payments, no interest until June 2005! Hurry now and SAVE!)
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To: Arthalion

So your point is that this girl should not be allowed in a public school because of her medical problem. Perhaps you should think this through more carefully.

This is a public school. This girl is a member of the public. Because of the rule of law she has a right to attend this school. Perhaps you don't understand the laws of this country?

I guess for the same reasons you cited for not allowing her in school (distraction, children will be cruel), then say, a dwarf would not be allowed in school either?

It is unfortunate that this girl's seizures will effect the learning environment for periods throughout the week. Of course, anyone familiar with classroom environments would admit that there are both purposeful and natural causes of disruption that occur in all classes, from potty accidents to talking out of turn.

Children ARE cruel, but this girl will be stronger having coped with such cruelties and those who treat her cruelly will learn that their behavior is inconsiderate and immoral.

Most in the class will also learn that many who suffer seizures are intelligent, productive members of society.
People like Dante, Poe, Jonathan Swift, Handel, Paganini, world leaders, authors, artists, etc.

If a parent wishes their child to be in an educational environment where no children with seizures are allowed, I'm sure there are private institutions that will arrange this. This is one of the 'costs' or 'risks' of attending public schools.


35 posted on 08/05/2004 1:30:31 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: Arthalion
The girl should be prohibited from attending the school solely on the grounds that she will be disruptive.

You really need to get out more. My daughter (who owns a Weimaraner, BTW) teaches third grade and has about a quarter of her kids classified as special needs in one way or another. And that doesn't include what passes for "normal behavior" by the "regular" students. Cheyenne and Mikki's situation is mild in comparison to about half the kids she deals with daily. The problem is not with this child or dog; it's with the system. And until the system is fixed, I would submit that the addition of Mikki to the classroom as a better than even chance of actually improving the situation.

In the meantime, the parents seem to have given adequate advanced notice to the school and those who will dealing directly with the situation. If I were a betting man, I'd say somebody who works miles away from this classroom is seeing a budget bump that almost got away.

43 posted on 08/05/2004 2:01:21 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution.)
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To: Arthalion
I attended grammar school with a brother and sister who were both epileptic.

When they would have a siezure, it would last a few minutes, and then they would be brought to the nurse's office.

Nobody made fun of them, the other kids were sympathetic and didn't treat them any differently than anyone else, except perhaps showing them more kindness.

I guess you grew up in a different kind of neighborhood than I did.

67 posted on 08/05/2004 4:38:22 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Arthalion

the girl doesn't belong in a public school.

Amen! There is a disconnect among the government school establishment that thinks that school is for everything but learning.


71 posted on 08/05/2004 4:56:17 PM PDT by mlmr (Find a ring and put it round, round, roundAnd with ties so strong your two hearts are bound...)
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