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This Band of Brothers Has a Different View of Kerry (Swift Boat Vets A MAJOR Problem For Lurch!)
Seattle Times ^ | 8/5/04 | Collin Levey

Posted on 08/05/2004 4:08:05 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Don't look now, but the Kerry campaign is about to start attacking a group of Vietnam War veterans. After making Kerry's service as a swift-boat captain a cornerstone of the Democratic National Convention last week, the campaign's new goal will be to discredit some of Kerry's fellow soldiers as (shudder) politically motivated.

Specifically, the trouble comes in the form of a band of veterans who served with Kerry during his glory tour in Vietnam and who will publish a book of their own memories of the young skipper called "Unfit for Command" in coming weeks.

As a chronicle and anticipated exposé of the young soldier's actual leadership in the jungles, the book will cast a decidedly less-flattering light on the candidate as soldier. Among the charges are that Kerry exaggerated his injuries and was inept at capturing the respect of his men, who saw him as overweening and ambitious.

With the military nuzzling of the Boston convention receding into the past, the Kerry campaign will come at his former comrades with hell's fury. The soldiers — by one count the vast majority of Kerry's boatmates — will soon be cast as a bunch of demented old men, out to make a quick buck in the service of partisanship.

For a preview of the talking points, Democrats might be directed to the recent writings of New York Observer columnist Joe Conason in the online diary, Salon. Over the past few months, he has written three pieces on the nefarious connections of the anti-Kerry Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, remarking, among other things, that the group, classified as a 527 organization, has connections with well-known Republican operatives in Texas.

He calls the Swift Boat Veterans "conservative Republicans embittered over Kerry's later antiwar activism" and describes the group's founder, retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, as having "gained notoriety in Vietnam as a strutting, cigar-chewing Navy captain... whose obsession with body counts and 'scorekeeping' may have provoked the February 1969 massacre of Vietnamese civilians at Thanh Phong."

Of course, we wouldn't dare to imagine a political bone in the bodies of those swift-boat veterans who have hugged up to Kerry. But picking apart the service of any veteran is always an ugly business: In war, some men will naturally be more impressive than others and that fact of temperament shouldn't denigrate the service by others. If Kerry wasn't the best and the bravest in the service, it should be no disparagement to his participation.

But veterans, broadly speaking, have long been considered a natural constituency of Republicans. And in none of this do we wish to discourage the Democrats from their conversion. It did the heart good to see the party, formerly inclined to bumper-sticker sentiment that looked forward to the day when the military had to "hold a bake sale to buy a bomber," now awash in admirals and generals and other manly men.

The problem isn't a hawkish Democratic Party but a historically dishonest one. As one swift boat commander put it to The Boston Globe, though Kerry was a "great American fighting man," when he returned home, he was equally ambitious to make his mark in the antiwar movement. "I think he was saying whatever he needed to say," the veteran, Michael Bernique, explained.

It's an unhappy impression of unrivaled opportunism that continues to define Kerry now as it did then, and which strikes many voters as the most legitimate and adhesive charge against his qualification to be commander in chief.

The designers and producers of last week's Democratic National Convention in Boston are likely a bit down in the mouth this week following Kerry's post-convention non-bounce. All the klieg lights, hors d'oeuvres and cumulative weight of the biggest hippos in the party added up to a big zilch in the polls. We can speculate why, but there's no doubt the rich mother lode of GOP ads accusing him of being a congenital flip-flopper (a critique pioneered long ago by Kerry's Democratic opponents) has acted as a drag on his ratings.

The fundamental problem with Kerry's campaign is that it presumes the worst thing possible about American elections: that the voters are too dumb to see through the holograms. An alien watching the convention might have reasonably assumed that the Democrats had nominated a 28-year-old for the presidency, so absent was any mention of the candidate's other career in the U.S. Senate.

If Kerry wants the leadership campaign to be about his time in Vietnam, he and his emissaries should be careful about impugning the motives of his veteran detractors. As one of them said, "We didn't lose the war on the ground in Vietnam, we lost it at home, and at home John Kerry was the field general."


TOPICS: Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: election2004; johnfkerry; swiftboatveterans; thetruthcomesout; unfitforcommand
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The spin on this from the CBS website and NY times is just ridiculous...very biased against the vets because "none of them ever served with Kerry."

That is the Kerry campaign line, and instead of being journalists and checking it out (I recall the saying "if your mother says you loves you check it out" from J1 class), they just accept it as gospel.

Disgusting.

BTW, one did serve with Kerry on his boat, Stephen Gardner.

Oh.....and the issue of how many were on Kerry's boat is not that important, as all but one commanding officer who did serve with him oppose him, as well as numerous folks who were on other swift boats, people who saw Kerry often likely because the boats were close together.


61 posted on 08/05/2004 7:46:02 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: maica
"Re the Hannity/Scarborough airing of the ad.

There was supposed to be an "embargo" of the ad until midnight last night, according to Rush's comments on his show yesterday. Perhaps Hannity's producers were a bit more scrupulous in following the embargo."


This is true, and whatever the case it keeps it in the news longer.

A KC revisit by the "anti-American" is just too delicious for words..... talk about ultimate TIMING!!!!
62 posted on 08/05/2004 7:46:23 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: kabar
To avoid any confusion, which still seems to exist, we are talking about two Bands of Brothers. Kerry's Band of Brothers consists of the enlisted personnel who served under him on the two boats he commanded. Of the 10 or so enlisted (5 enlisted crew per boat), one is against Kerry and most of the others are for him. Rassman, a green beret who was on Kerry's boat when he fell overboard, is a new member of the group.

The second and much larger Band of Brothers are fellow officers who skippered other PCFs at the same time as Kerry as well as his superior offiers and enlisted personnel. The picture of Kerry and the other 19 officers is the one where only one officer, Skip Barker, supports Kerry. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a much larger group of over 200 PCF sailors, officers and enlisted, who are against Kerry.

It should be noted that the PCFs did not operate independently but in groups of three or more depending on the mission. Despite Dem claims to the contrary, these Swift Boat personnel served with Kerry even if they were not on his boat. The PCFs operated within yards of one another.

That's a very good summary.

63 posted on 08/05/2004 7:46:54 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Though Kerry does raise an issue that needs exploring....why the guy who treated Kerry's injury did not sign the record about it. But oh well.


64 posted on 08/05/2004 7:47:48 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Interesting Times
Despite Dem claims to the contrary, these Swift Boat personnel served with Kerry even if they were not on his boat. The PCFs operated within yards of one another.

If anyone has ever seen squid in formation while scuba diving or snorkeling, they seem to have telepathic communication, swimming, stopping, turning, darting away, in perfect formation

This is how I visualize the missions of the Swift boats. The skippers almost had to act with one mind. I bet Kerry was just as out of touch with the thinking of the other skippers on the mission as he is with the thinking of 'average' Americans today.

I also believe that his superior officers were delighted to give him his ticket home.

The man is so totally unable to interact with others that it verges on the clinically pathological.

65 posted on 08/05/2004 8:09:40 AM PDT by maica (The flags the dems waved at the convention were left on Fleet Center floor.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Neal Boortz is going to talk today with the doctor who treated sKerry for his first wound

The Doc was on my local talk Radio on the other day

He said that after Kerry had his wound looked at .. he the walked straight over to command to ask about his purple heart

66 posted on 08/05/2004 8:39:16 AM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: rwfromkansas
Though Kerry does raise an issue that needs exploring....why the guy who treated Kerry's injury did not sign the record about it.

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Likely because the "wound" was so minor that it didn't merit comment! Besides, as I understand it, the doc knew that the "wound" was self-inflicted and not a result of enemy fire.

67 posted on 08/05/2004 9:10:50 AM PDT by daylate-dollarshort
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"If Kerry wants the leadership campaign to be about his time in Vietnam, he and his emissaries should be careful about impugning the motives of his veteran detractors. As one of them said, "We didn't lose the war on the ground in Vietnam, we lost it at home, and at home John Kerry was the field general."

and there it is...

68 posted on 08/05/2004 9:46:37 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

An interesting comment from a veteran pilot on this discussion page
http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/012084.html

The Live Thread during the SwiftVets press appearance on May 4, 2004
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1129629/posts?q=1&&page=1001


69 posted on 08/05/2004 10:39:42 AM PDT by maica (The flags the dems waved at the convention were left on Fleet Center floor.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Do the Swift Boat vets have a right to speak? Yes.

Do they have a right to be heard? Yes.

But why should we pay any special attention to them? Because John Kerry put them on stage. He's the one who stood up in front of their picture, intimating that they supported his candidacy and his account of his actions in Viet Nam.

He did so again, just last week - after having received a "cease and desist" letter from those vets, who objected to that portrayal.

John Kerry put these vets pictures on the national stage, and John Kerry who asked us to ask the vets about what they thought of him.

He has absolutely no grounds for complaint if the vets choose to express their opinion.

70 posted on 08/05/2004 11:08:45 AM PDT by jdege
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