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Mario Villafuerte for The New York Times
The Iraq war is changing basic training. National Guard members at Fort Polk, La., learned last February to interact with Iraqi civilians.

Fort Benning does One Site Unit Training(OSUT) for the Infantry. Fort Sill and Fort Knox do the same for the Artillery and Armor branches of combat arms. Fort Jackson does the mixed sex basic training. Does anyone know what other fort conducts OSUT or basic training?

1 posted on 08/04/2004 6:59:41 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Fort Sill and Fort Knox do the same for the Artillery and Armor branches of combat arms, respectively.


2 posted on 08/04/2004 7:01:16 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

'Everybody is going to be a warrior first,'

I think the Jarheads already have this.


3 posted on 08/04/2004 7:09:54 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: neverdem

I believe Fort Leonard Wood does Combat Engineers and MP'S.


4 posted on 08/04/2004 7:18:06 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem
Way back in 1984, Ft Bliss did OSUT for ADA troops. We had no females in our training battalion, with the exception of our training battery commander. Damn shame that she couldn't keep up on battery runs after the first few weeks...

No, really!

7 posted on 08/04/2004 7:26:12 PM PDT by drachenfels ("Everyone has the right to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.")
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To: neverdem

"Fort Benning does One Site Unit Training(OSUT) for the Infantry. Fort Sill and Fort Knox do the same for the Artillery and Armor branches of combat arms. Fort Jackson does the mixed sex basic training. Does anyone know what other fort conducts OSUT or basic training?"

Nope. You got 'em all.


10 posted on 08/04/2004 7:33:14 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: neverdem
The new training regimen includes additional time dodging real bullets

Its about 15 feet over your head now (I heard a story about a recruit committing suicide by standing up, don't know if its true).

more opportunities to fire weapons

After zeroing and grouping, there is 3 days of going to the range before qualifying. Typically you go to the firing line twice in a day, firing two mags of 20 bullets each time.

including heavy machine guns

50 rounds on the SAW and 50 rounds on the 240B.

and increasing the time spent practicing urban combat

2 Days of MOUT, 1 day is all lecture. The other day was more lecture, broke into 4 man firing teams, and each team cleared one room.

And this was OSUT INFANTRY at BENNING!

11 posted on 08/04/2004 7:36:26 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: SAMWolf; Darksheare; 300winmag

ping


12 posted on 08/04/2004 7:36:55 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Why do other laugh when I admit my I.Q. is 11EEE?)
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To: neverdem

LW handles MP, Comb. Eng., And (I think) Chem.

But the problems don't seem to be with LW. Because of the MOS taught there....they have been on top of things. For quite a few that do Basic at LW....they are dang close to the status of OSUT.
There has been some problems at Jackson. And DIs have started talking. Word is the problems do not just relate to the training doctrine. The thing is...it is hard to tell if the words are accurate or incredible rumor. But again, DIs have started to talk. And not just to people like Hackworth. TRADOC has taken notice.


16 posted on 08/04/2004 7:39:33 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: neverdem
How much of this less rigorous training was to accomodate the female recruits?
20 posted on 08/04/2004 7:44:27 PM PDT by fso301
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To: neverdem

Change is fine. But we must go slow.

Sit-ups, push-ups, all that is cool.

But, let us not just totally drop sushi and quiche night.


24 posted on 08/04/2004 7:48:50 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: neverdem

The story does not get the timing totally correct.

The TRADOC Types were kicking around the idea of increased training as far back as 2001. There had even been talks about going to 12 weeks. Right about the same time they started pushing through the Basic Officer Leader Course
http://www.benning.army.mil/BOLC/
They were dealing with topics of training that went beyond initial training as well. Turf wars arose plenty on the issue. And it is still unclear to many how they are going to handle BOLC long term. At one point they were going to have every newly commissioned Lt. go to Benning for the BOLC. Then some got listed to Arizona for MI. Armor folks wanted theirs near their Officer Branch training posts as well. It looks like they looked at Marine officer training and how they handle the Basic School, and saw some supposed need. Which is not bad...because the Basic School has good set up.

For Basic,
10 weeks may be needed at least. IF they want to cover the Task Manual and still get more field and weapons time on top of the Task Man. training.


27 posted on 08/04/2004 7:58:54 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: neverdem

Good idea but late in coming.


37 posted on 08/04/2004 8:22:34 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Designate - Infiltrate - Annihilate // Read my lips: More new taxes - John Kerry)
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To: neverdem
While previous generations may recall basic training being the same for all recruits, the modern Army allows many new soldiers to choose their specialties when they sign up, and basic training is divided between those who go into combat arms and those who go into support jobs

I can immediate think of two reasons why basic training should not be divided based on MOS. 1.) By mixing those who fight and those who support there might be a more urgent understanding of the needs of those who fight by those who support. 2.) You never know when you might have to fight, even when you support. Afterall, the Pentagon was attacked on 9/11. While there wasn't an opportunity to fight back on 9/11, I would certainly hope that if the opportunity presented itself to kill Muslim bastards on the streets of America that our soliders would be prepared to do so.

41 posted on 08/04/2004 8:28:30 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated
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To: neverdem

Looks like they are trying to hold down the head to tail ratio by making the tail a bit more like the head.


53 posted on 08/04/2004 8:53:13 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Steel Wolf
ping
62 posted on 08/04/2004 9:28:47 PM PDT by MrNatural (..".You want the truth?!"...)
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To: neverdem; SLB

HUA !.........I like the idea. Everyones a fighter first, cook , bottle washer, driver and clerk second.

Stay safe !


73 posted on 08/04/2004 10:38:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: neverdem

Fort Leonard Wood for Combat Engineers.


81 posted on 08/04/2004 11:04:57 PM PDT by kms61
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To: neverdem
Do ya suppose that they'll be junking Lt Gen Claudia Kennedy's COO (Concern for Others) Training along with this??

Saw her book in the "bargains" section the other day when I was at the Barnes & Noble.

Stay safe and continued prayers for our heroic and brave warriors out there getting their hands dirty doing the job for us while in harm's way.

87 posted on 08/04/2004 11:53:38 PM PDT by Skybird
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"Historically, combat support specialists had been in the rear of the battlefield, far from direct contact with the enemy,"

This has been out for over 40 years. Is the reason that basic is finally catching up to reality because support troop casualties haven’t been front page news until now?
98 posted on 08/05/2004 3:03:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the post.

How awful some think that Isreal makes all youths between 18 and 25 to serve 2 years in defense of their country. Now we see that the Army is changing their basic training. Soon, if most pacifists in this country have their way, all our youth between 18 and 25 will also be made by our government to serve this nation.

What is the common cause for this? Islam! period


103 posted on 08/05/2004 3:39:03 AM PDT by moonman
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