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To: seamole; Luis Gonzalez; rdb3; cyborg
If Keyes has no chance of winning in Illinois, then the term "carpetbagger" can't apply.

Carpetbagger - An outsider, especially a politician, who presumptuously seeks a position or success in a new locality.

--from Dictionary.com

Sorry - whitewashing Keyes as being different because he's not "like Hillary" isn't the same thing.

Dole was a carpetbagger, Kennedy was a carpetbagger, Clinton was a carpetbagger, Keyes is a carpetbagger. Period.

As I said, I respect him. I like him. But I'm not comfortable with this tactic, and I'm not so sure he can win in Illinois.

I'll happily eat crow should he win.

731 posted on 08/04/2004 9:03:07 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
"Sorry - whitewashing Keyes as being different because he's not "like Hillary" isn't the same thing."

Kind of the same general message as the left's "anybody but Bush" argument, isn't it?

743 posted on 08/04/2004 9:05:13 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: mhking
presumptuously seeks

By your definition, then, the term does not apply. Keyes did not "seek" this responsibility...and certainly is not being presumptuous at all.

744 posted on 08/04/2004 9:05:37 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: mhking
Carpetbagger - An outsider, especially a politician, who presumptuously seeks a position or success in a new locality.

Thanks for the definition. Keyes isn't "presumptuously seeking" anything. It was initiated entirely from the Illinois GOP State Central Committee, who desperately have asked him to run. Keyes therefore isn't a carpetbagger.

But even if you believe he is, the unwritten "rules" of gentlemanly campaigning have changed. I'd liken it to the trend in the NBA of drafting kids out of high school. No team likes the idea of drafting 18-year-old kids, but any team given the opportunity to draft a Kobe Bryant would be foolish to not seriously consider it. It's not the way things ideally should be done, but that's they way things are today.

Let's hope the drafting of Keyes pays off.

833 posted on 08/04/2004 9:36:02 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: mhking
Keyes has about as much chance of winning this race,IF he even accepts the proffered crown,which hes has NOT yet done,as I do in being asked to take over the UN!
856 posted on 08/04/2004 9:45:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mhking

Question: how does "presumptuously" fit in with being drafted?


1,193 posted on 08/05/2004 12:25:06 AM PDT by WillRain
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To: mhking

I agree.


1,327 posted on 08/05/2004 6:16:45 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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