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Illinois GOP picks Alan Keyes to run against Obama!
illinoisleader.com ^ | August 4, 2004

Posted on 08/04/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by tame

It's official! Yahoo!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; alankicksbutt; classicdebates; debatesforhistory; goalan; gopprimary; historicdebates; illinois; keyes
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To: LandOfLincolnGOP
So don't ask others not to stick by theirs.

Oh, that's not the way it works, doncha know? If you don't agree with them, you don't have principles!

1,001 posted on 08/04/2004 10:55:50 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: FITZ

The Ill. GOP would put Donald Duck on the ticket now.


1,002 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: tame

We will all watch this debate!


1,003 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jim Robinson
I can imagine him debating in the Senate from a constitutionalist point of view.

Would be fun to watch him go after the likes of Kennedy, Durbin and Clinton on the Senate Floor

1,004 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: tame

Alan Keyes is considering a run for the US Senate in Illinois after party leaders offered him the GOP nomination. It’s his for the asking, despite his Maryland residency. This can be quickly corrected by a move to Illinois before election day. As Keyes mulls his decision, there are several factors that must be taken into consideration.

1) Issue of principle: Keyes said back in 2000 that he had a problem with Hillary Clinton’s move to New York to run for the Senate, “I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it.” Of course, few people have discussed the context of those remarks. Pat Buchanan met with Keyes and was wanting him to move to New York and run as the Right-to-Life candidate for Senate, now a District of Columbia Resident deciding that a Marylander should run for the US Senate struck Keyes very poorly.

The difference between the Keyes and Clinton cases are pronounced. The fact is that had Hillary not run, Democrats already had a willing candidate in Rep. Nita Lowey (D-NY), but Hillary imposed herself on the race. Keyes is being begged by a desperate state party to make the journey to Illinois and give them a credible nominee. This should seem a familiar story to Keyes as this is how he found himself the 1988 Maryland US Senate nominee.

Of course, Keyes is still troubled by the principle of the idea. He’s admitted that. He’ll have to resolve within himself of what decision will serve the nation and the more than 10 million strangers in the State of Illinois. The People of Illinois if given the choice of Keyes v. Obama race or allowing Obama a cakewalk, which would they choose, and which is better for Illinois Democracy?

2) Family: If elected, it would mean huge changes for Keyes’ family who have already had to deal with quite a bit in 1996 and 2000. This campaign would be a sprint compared to the last two campaigns, but it’ll still be a hard choice.

3) Money: In 1992, Keyes was the Republican nominee for Senate and was then abandoned by the national party. As the old saying, “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” Keyes has to know that from sources in or out of the Illinois, he can get enough money to compete with Obama.

4) The Convention Spot: There’s no way that this is happening without at least the tacit support of the Bush White House. The White House would like a good victory in the Electoral College this November which means Illinois is a prime electoral prize. Bush will struggle if Obama’s unopposed and the GOP has a candidate who lacks passion. Keyes can bring a lot of people out who would otherwise stay home. However, for Keyes’ campaign to be a success, he’ll need to have the same platform Obama had: a prime speaking spot at The National Convention. It would cause a hissy fit among those who are trying to organize another infomercial. If Keyes can’t get the spot, it will be a huge negative.

5) Probable Victory: Keyes’ nomination is a Hail Mary pass from the Illinois GOP and everyone knows it. Odds of success are better than any other probable candidate, but have to be at least 2:1 against him. He’s pinch-hitting with less than 90 days to go in the race and replacing a disgrace nominee. He’s facing a charismatic and charming opponent. Keyes has to consider what he can reasonably do in 2 ½ months to win this race. The entire campaign would be unprecedented in the history of American politics. If Illinois Republicans can’t find a suitable candidate in a State of 10 million people, how much can Keyes rely on the help of the locals? Keyes’, however did have a great organization in neighboring Iowa and may pick up some volunteers from there.

Keyes will want to know that even if he loses, he won’t lose ugly. He has to believe that he can at least garner 40% of the vote and have a strong chance of making this a close race. Keyes won’t sign up to get his teeth kicked in for the Illinois GOP. If Keyes runs, he’ll to prove that he can run a close race and more importantly he’ll run to win.


1,005 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:13 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Values in Idaho: http://adamsweb/us/IdahoConservative)
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To: LandOfLincolnGOP
..and we wouldn't need an out-of-towner if the state party wasn't a joke...

But it is. And there's nothing you can do about it except rustle up some motivation and put your shoulder to the wheel, again. As long as you're still in the fight, there's always a chance.

1,006 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:21 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Jim Robinson
After trying to catch up here on this thread i'm glad to see someone in accord.

We are about winning the big picture and pragmatic steps toward that goal.

I like you fail to see how my support for Keyes is immoral.

I regret that many allies here do not share that view but this forum is not a popularity contest is it.

Keyes is a remarkable 19th century style orator with lightspeed synapse. It will be nice to see him counter the vitriol of the African.
1,007 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:39 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: LandOfLincolnGOP
So don't ask others not to stick by theirs.

Attacking conservative candidates on a conservative website is hardly some high-falutin' principle.

1,008 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: nopardons

Are you a democrat?


1,009 posted on 08/04/2004 10:57:10 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: outlawcam

Well within the law, of course. The standard is different for Republicans you know.


1,010 posted on 08/04/2004 10:57:35 PM PDT by swheats
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To: flaglady47
Funny how I keep tripping over your posts when doing patrol.

I know; it's almost like you can stand anybody with an opinion different from yours.

1,011 posted on 08/04/2004 10:57:37 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: wardaddy

African?


1,012 posted on 08/04/2004 10:57:46 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: Truthsearcher
The same is true here, Keyes will in all probability lose, but he will lay the foundation for a GOP revival,

The comparison to Goldwater doesn't stand up in my opinion. Do you really think Keyes will make his home in Illinois permanent and stay here after a loss to rebuild the party? Not in a million years, I suspect...

1,013 posted on 08/04/2004 10:58:02 PM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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To: flaglady47
Is this editorial from The Illinois Leader a surprise?

State GOP on the Right Track with Keyes ( Illinois )

1,014 posted on 08/04/2004 10:58:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Howlin
If you call not forgetting things that Alan Keyes have said that have hurt this party and our president a "vendetta," I guess you're right.

The day you've done one percent as much for this President and for this party maybe you'll start to have some small measure of credibility on this point.

But even then you won't be able to take away the great things that Alan has done for this republic in the last decade.

1,015 posted on 08/04/2004 10:58:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

1/2 Kenyan is he not?


and a major league jerk in my view....he makes Harold Ford look better.


1,016 posted on 08/04/2004 11:00:14 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Keyes2000mt

That appears to be a very even-handed and fair analysis of the challenges and opportunities that are to come, should he accept the nomination.


1,017 posted on 08/04/2004 11:00:18 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Actually,no,I'm not.But YOU certainly are,mate.


1,018 posted on 08/04/2004 11:01:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EternalVigilance
Attacking conservative candidates on a conservative website is hardly some high-falutin' principle.

But again, you mischaracterize my comments. As I've said over and over again, my problem really isn't with Keyes. It's the fact that the state and national parties have allowed us to degrade into this deplorable situation. You can call that an attack on Keyes over and over again for as long as you want, but it won't make it true.

1,019 posted on 08/04/2004 11:02:17 PM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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To: Howlin
..if you call not forgetting things that Alan Keyes have said that have hurt this party and our president a "vendetta," I guess you're right...

If the party's forgotten it, and invited Keyes to run, then why can't you?

1,020 posted on 08/04/2004 11:02:29 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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