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Abu Ghraib General Claims Conspiracy (Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, )
Newsday ^ | August 3, 2004, 1:14 PM EDT | MICHAEL McDONOUGH

Posted on 08/03/2004 7:57:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

LONDON -- The general who headed the U.S. military prison at Abu Ghraib said in an interview broadcast Tuesday that there had been a conspiracy to prevent her knowing about prisoner abuse at the jail.

Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who was suspended by the Pentagon in May, has denied knowing about any mistreatment prisoners until photographs surfaced at the end of April. U.S. investigators have not implicated Karpinski directly in any of the abuses.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; clintonsgeneral; iraq; iraqipow; karpinski
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1 posted on 08/03/2004 7:57:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; blam

Ok.


2 posted on 08/03/2004 7:58:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

conspiracy to keep her from knowing?

You mean your subordinates lied to you and kept you in the dark? England is saying otherwise. But who knows. Apparently no one knows just what the hell was happening in your prison except lots of panties and pyramids.

Why...oh why...do I get this feeling that those in charge of that prison weren't the cream of the crop?


3 posted on 08/03/2004 8:00:03 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Kerry lied and if elected people will die.)
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To: Bogey78O

Clinton's army, might have something to do with it.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 8:04:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
No way....(mouth open in shock). Never in military history have subordinates knowingly hid information on their activities from superior officers!

The better officers of course know what is going on, hidden or otherwise.

5 posted on 08/03/2004 8:05:34 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes another of Hillry's generals.


6 posted on 08/03/2004 8:05:51 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ah. A conspircacy to put incompetents like her into positions of more responsibility than they can handle.


7 posted on 08/03/2004 8:09:19 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is rat media headline stuff.


8 posted on 08/03/2004 8:10:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If the AbooGrabMe prison scandal keeps rearing its ugly black-hooded, dog leashed, naked guy pyramid building night, head....John Fonda Kerredy must be doing worse in the polls than we thought.


9 posted on 08/03/2004 8:11:03 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Well Newsday is owned by the Los Angeles Times, one of the leaders of the DemonicRat pack!


Well now by the Chicago Tribune which is part of the group as well.
10 posted on 08/03/2004 8:20:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Next, we will hear that's all the fault of the International Jewish Bankers Collective.


11 posted on 08/03/2004 8:21:07 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

THIS is why she should be in Leavenworth. She's lying. She's a female Kerry.


12 posted on 08/03/2004 8:25:23 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JediForce
"If the AbooGrabMe prison scandal keeps rearing its ugly black-hooded, dog leashed, naked guy pyramid building night, head....John Fonda Kerredy must be doing worse in the polls than we thought"

I wonder how long it'll be before we get another beheading in "response" to the newest episodes of fave series of the far left, "Abu Graib"?

13 posted on 08/03/2004 8:28:20 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: WOSG
"Ah. A conspircacy to put incompetents like her into positions of more responsibility than they can handle."

Aka political correctness. In civilian life, Karpinski conducted "high-stress" motivational seminars for junior executive types. This reportedly included a lot of treatment that would qualify as hazing under slightly different circumstances. So we have what amounts to a professional practitioner of hazing and abuse, put in charge of a prison where people are systematically hazed and abused, and she claims she didn't know?

It happens that I am a retired field grade officer of the United States Army. I cannot prove it, but I am convinced that it would have been impossible for soldiers under my command to systematically commit major crimes without my knowing at least enough to start a comprehensive investigation. It defies belief that this could happen under circumstances such as Abu Ghraib, where everyone involved would, or should, have known that serious misconduct would lead to an international uproar.

14 posted on 08/03/2004 8:38:52 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

"I am convinced that it would have been impossible for soldiers under my command to systematically commit major crimes without my knowing at least enough to start a comprehensive investigation."

As an officer, you obviously understand the first rule of leadership:

What happens under your command is your responsibility.

As a manager in the civilian world, I understand that too:
If my team fails, it is a failure I share in. As Andy Grove puts it in his book, he never rates an operations manager higher than the rating of the organization he leads. Ignorance is no excuse for a leader, it's your job to know what's going on and fix problems.

If there were training problems, lack of standards, etc., she either knew or should have known.

I find her constant whining and attempt to point fingers unprofessional and frankly, part of the media 'spin' to take the blame even higher... "anyone but me".


15 posted on 08/03/2004 8:50:36 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG
part of the media 'spin' to take the blame even higher..

That is the goal alright!

16 posted on 08/03/2004 8:53:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Old CYA janis is gassing off again.


17 posted on 08/03/2004 9:00:00 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: atomic conspiracy; WOSG
Any true leader knows, from a commanding officer in the military, to the foreman over a construction crew, any failure in those under your direction, no matter the circumstance, is a failure by the leader, period.

No excuses, no questions asked.

IMO...Karpinski's biggest crime wasn't allowing this to happen, but allowing such a loose policy with cameras in a military prison facility. That's just asking for trouble, media attention, and lawsuits.

18 posted on 08/03/2004 9:06:09 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.)
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To: WOSG

Klintoon's military promotion system= F---UP and move up. I don't think the psuedo general should have advanced beyond E-4. I know she towed the commie-demo line for the promotions. Bush/Cheney2004


19 posted on 08/03/2004 9:36:52 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Ernie.


20 posted on 08/03/2004 10:15:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Franchurian Candidate, al Kerry said in his convention speech "Judge me by my record"...)
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