Posted on 08/03/2004 12:09:31 PM PDT by dead
Dear Mr P,
I am curious. We all remember, during Clinton's campaign, that he promised everyone making $200,000 or less would not be affected by the tax increases he said were necessary to heal the financial woes left by Bush 41.
Interestingly enough, as time went on, and Clinton/Gore were safely elected, that $200,000 ceiling began to lower itself steadily, until everyone making the enormous salary of $30,000 was considered a member of the "rich".
My question to you is, why on earth should we believe Kerry/Edwards when they croon that the "middle class" will suffer no increase in taxes, and that only "the rich" will be made to pay their fair share?
STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD.
LOL... Tonk, I have never seen that second one before. How funny. Great thread to post that gif. Must steal for future use.
2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing. I certainly have my criticisms of Joe Wilson, but he does at least a adequate job of debunking that nonsense here:
Now, now Mr. Perlstein. The question asserts that they were trying to buy ore. Your answer has as a presupposition that they were able to purchase and ship what they were after. Answer the question please, was the Iraqi government trying to purchase uranium ore from Niger?
George W Bush's military record vs John Kerry's military record
Aerospaceweb.org was started in 2000 to provide information regarding a wide range
of aerospace-related fields, including aircraft design, spacecraft design, aerodynamics,
and aerospace history.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml
...Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush
enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were
routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970.
Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe
or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty.
Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush
inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior,
MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training
and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time,
told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants....
...
The point of this discussion is that the military record of George W. Bush deserves a fair treatment.
Bush has been criticized for avoiding service in Vietnam, though the evidence proves that
the Texas Air National Guard and its F-102 pilots where serving in Vietnam while Bush was in training.
Bush has been criticized for using his family influence to obtain his assignment,
but the evidence shows that he successfully completed every aspect of the more than
two years of training required of him.
Bush has been criticized for pursuing a safe and plush position as a fighter pilot,
but the evidence indicates the F-102 was a demanding aircraft whose pilots regularly risked their lives.
Bush has also been criticized for deserting the Guard before his enlistment was complete,
but the evidence shows he was honorably discharged eight months early because his position
was being phased out...
...
While it is not our goal to compare and contrast the records of the candidates on this subject,
the fact that the questioner cites John Kerry's military service makes us feel it necessary to comment.
It is interesting to note that there are just as many, if not more,
irregularities in Kerry's military record as there are in Bush's.
Kerry can certainly be praised for some of the actions he performed while in the line of duty,
but his record does contain some troubling portions as well.
Not the least of these is his involvement in the controversial group
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while he was still an active-duty member of the US Navy.
Kerry's testimony before Congress as VVAW spokesman in 1971,
during which he accused soldiers serving in Vietnam of being war criminals,
was found to be based on largely falsifed information as documented by Wikipedia.
The Boston Globe has also reported on troubling accusations regarding the circumstances
surrounding Kerry's medals, particularly his first two purple hearts awarded for
minor injuries that may even have been self-inflicted.
John Kerry's record
http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm
DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation for John Kerry
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf
Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!
What is Senator John Kerry's relationship to VVAW?
http://www.vvaw.org/faq/#4
Since Vietnam Veterans Against the War's inception in 1967, tens of thousands of vets, GIs and supporters have participated in and supported the actions of VVAW. One of those members in the early 1970s was John Kerry. Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99). Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971 (Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110; Nicosia, 136-138; Wells, 495).
Content of the speech is found at:
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html.
By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW (Brinkley, 406: Hunt, 127-128; Nicosia, 211).
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Rahn Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.
The instruction, titled 1300.39, says that a Naval officer who requires hospitalization on two separate occasions, or who receives three wounds "regardless of the nature of the wounds," can ask a superior officer to request a reassignment. The instruction makes clear the reassignment is not automatic.
It says that the reassignment "will be determined after consideration of his physical classification for duty and on an individual basis." Because Kerry's wounds were not considered serious, his reassignment appears to have been made on an individual basis. Moreover, the instruction makes clear that Kerry could have asked that any reassignment be waived.
The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer. He met with Horne, who agreed to forward the request, which Horne said probably ensured final approval. The Navy could not say how many other officers or sailors got a similar early release from combat, but it was unusual for anyone to have three Purple Hearts.
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=KerryinVietnam
"So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor
ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty,
other than those who were seriously wounded or killed."
I used to be young and stupid and leftist, read the Village Voice as often as I could find it. Back then your gay writer Richard Goldstein was in the closet and covered rock and roll and still had some hair on his noggin. I even had to pay for it, I understand the VV is free now in NYC.
I'm assuming you are Jewish by your name. American Jews should be supporting George Bush for many reasons. Including his support of Israel. Shame on all Jews who go leftist, even culturally leftist. It's just so darn easy and lazy. Just like all the intellectually lazy actors in Hollyweird. The alliance between the left and the Islamics is very troubling.
It's interesting how the leftists always support the primitive barbarians when they assault the Jews of Israel. You all are in love with some mad ideal of the noble savage that you see in these Muslims. Admit it, you are in awe of them since they have no doubts. Right, Just give them Gaza and the West Bank for a Paleostinian state and they'll stop their terror and live in peace. What a laugh. You have no idea how often Mohammed sanctioned lying to non-Muslims in the Koran.
What did you think when Israel took out Sheik Yassin and Rantizi of Hamas with rockets fired from IAF helicopters? Do you know what the IAF is?
Do you support the antics of ISM and Rachel Corrie in Israel? Do you understand they are terrorist enablers? That they never ride the busses in Jerusalem to deter suicide bombings. Instead they rail at Israel's security fence and interfere in IDF operations. May of the ISM people are leftist Jews who sneak into Israel by lying about their purpose there.
Dear Mr. P,
Can you give us the short course on why you would want Kerry as President without dissin' Dubya? We all hear how much The President is hated by the left...we just want to hear why Kerry is so loved by the left.
Kind regards,
Liberty
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My article "Sting LIke a Bee" in the Voice gives some praise of Kerry--who isn't "loved" by the left: liked by some, loved by a few. But here's a very short course: I don't think Kerry is the kind of person who would run a White House, as Bush did, that would make our most important liaison in Iraq (and his special guest at the State of the Union Address) a spy for Iran, Ahmed Chalabi.
Kerry strikes me as smart and competent and thoughtful. That's a start. He was very brave in leading the investigation of the way the Reagan Administration negotiated with hostage-takers in Iran; I admired that, certainly. He worked hard with McCain to try to heal the wounds of Vietnam; he didn't have to do that, and it didn't help him politically.
He believes in some basic liberal principles that I believe in concerning economics: that corporations can't be trusted to regulate themselves, for example.
That's a few things. I'd better move on, though.
By the way, I welcome individual discussion any time at rperlstein@villagevoice.com.
RP
The point is how it intrudes into the culture, in an in-your-face manner. That part bothers me.
I have to leave now for a period of time. I look forward to returning later and reading your answers to my several questions. If you bother to answer them that is. And I asked real questions in a polite manner. So I would appreciate your attention on them. And please, don't answer them with a link to an article. Actually answer them with cogent thought.
John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam
(He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip)
http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3
DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation for John Kerry
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf
Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!
Either that or his answers are being vetted by a committee. LOL!
I am not participateing. I think we will see many of these responses, or an "account of my day with the heathen" in tthe Village Voice. I am busy with other things.
Hear, hear. I'm with you there, sister!!
2. y'all is nuts if you STILL BELIEVE Iraq managed to ship tons of RADIOACTIVE ORE halfway across the Eastern hemisphere without anyone noticing. I certainly have my criticisms of Joe Wilson, but he does at least a adequate job of debunking that nonsense here:
Seriously, if you don't fix this, you have demonstrated you are not honest enough to debate and this whole thread is a silly waste of time. You have yet to address all the facts in the VA budget question so far, too, so the hope that this would be an honest liberal is fast dying.
Then you are shallow, dishonest and self-deluding. I am not trying to insult you, I really mean it.
"STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD."
I have a right to post in protest to this liberal spammer Perlstain. Are your sensitivities offended? Too bad, grow a spine. I MUST have touched your feely liberal nerve eh.
Looks intimidating.
Kerry's OWN
Vietnam Veterans Against the War
http://www.vvaw.org
NOT a "right wing wacko site"
"Our military response to the attacks has caused more civilian deaths
in Afghanistan than the hijackers caused in our country."
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=8
(Is this how Kerry would deal with another 9/11
This is not the Iraq war, it's in response to 9/11?)
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement on John Kerry
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=400
Who wants a self confessed war criminal like Kerry?
Not Me!
But WHO WE ARE is exceptional in that this nation and its actions is entirely a product of the republic principle of self-governement.
So, your argument is: if a republic entirely based on the principle of self-government acts on those principles, it is abrogating those principles?
How can that be?
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