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1 posted on 08/03/2004 8:09:53 AM PDT by CSM
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To: ancient_geezer; wmichgrad

Tax reform ping!


2 posted on 08/03/2004 8:11:03 AM PDT by CSM ("The Democrat Cocktail: Ketchup with a Chaser." by JennysCool (7/7/04))
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I've been listening to Neal this morning and I heard him mention this. He's speaking with Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld right now.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 8:12:25 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan)
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Both left and right, but more so left, are constantly complaining about the influence of money in politics, the power of lobbyists, and sweatheart legislation written for "big contributors" and "special interests."

The fastest and best way to eliminate ALL of that instantly is to eliminate the entire tax code as it exists now. Without question, the greatest amount of money and lobbying done in DC is in regardes to the tax code.

4 posted on 08/03/2004 8:16:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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The idea is catching. Neal didn't even mention the bounce that putting billions of dollars now spend on income tax compliance and tax lawyers and tax accountants to more productive uses.

Let us pray for the elimination of the hated income and SS taxes.


5 posted on 08/03/2004 8:18:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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I like it except for the rebate portion. Why bother adding an extra level of complexity and bureaucracy? Do like they do in Nevada--just don't tax the necessities of life like food and be done with it. It's that simple.


6 posted on 08/03/2004 8:24:43 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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poverty is largely a behavioral disorder

What a refreshing quote.

8 posted on 08/03/2004 8:28:48 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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Click here: Select the WSB AM 750 link to launch a player.

There are some pop-ups, but being able to listen to Neal is worth it.

9 posted on 08/03/2004 8:33:38 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan)
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Could someone please explain how the sales tax rebate would work? Would I be required to keep every single receipt I get? Just curious.


12 posted on 08/03/2004 8:44:16 AM PDT by Guvmint_Cheese
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The fairness of a tax code should be judged on the ratio of compliance and enforcement costs to the amount of revunue raised. Unfair taxes, like the income and capital gains taxes, require enormous amounts of information to be collected for compliance and enforcement. This information is essential for politicians and lobbyists who want to use the power of government for personal vendettas or personal enrichment.

Paying for government with an excise tax on demand deposit (M1) account transactions at U.S. financial institutions only takes an account number and transaction amount for compliance and enforcement. For progressivity, those who don't pay income taxes now could legally avoid any tax by using cash or barter.

IIRC, a 3% M1 transaction tax would easily balance the budget while providing a permanent tax cut amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars because virtually all compliance and enforcement costs would be eliminated.

I've used this arguement for tax fairness several times to silence leftists promoting the income and capital gains taxes.


13 posted on 08/03/2004 8:47:55 AM PDT by yoswif
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Would there be tax on home sales? Wouldn't the tax benefit for home ownership disapear?


19 posted on 08/03/2004 9:20:19 AM PDT by lucysmom
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Is the 23% number mentioned here revenue neutral with income tax and SS/medicare eliminated?


20 posted on 08/03/2004 9:35:48 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Instaurare omnia in Christo)
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To: Principled

FairTax Ping!


31 posted on 08/03/2004 9:44:14 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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Let's get the WH thinking about this:

Andy Card's office phone at the WH: 202 456-1111 (found several...this may be incorrect...if so, just call the main WH number and ask for his office)
E-mail: acard@who.eop.gov

General e-mail: feedback@who.eop.gov

Bush campaign chair and former deputy assistant to the President (don't know if his WH addy will still work, but might as well give it a shot): Ken_Mehlman@who.eop.gov

The guy replacing Ken as deputy assistant (he meets with the President OFTEN): Matt_Schlapp@who.eop.gov

Note: some of the who.eop.gov addresses have changed from thte Firstname_Lastname form to firstinitiallastname@who.eop.gov (such as Andy Card's).....so may have to try that if the underline form does not work.

Karl Rove (have not found an e-mail, though you can try the forms above):

phone: 202-456-2369
fax: 202-456-0191

I did find an e-mail for this person in Rove's office though, Dave Thomas:

davidthomas@who.eop.gov

Of course, there is the old standbys:

President@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov

Phone: (202) 456 1414
General WH fax: (202) 456-2461
Alternate fax: (202) 456-6538


35 posted on 08/03/2004 9:52:02 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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The implementation of the Fair Tax would fail in short order if, as the question presupposes, the net effect on the poor would be the that they would be paying today's prices for a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread, plus a 23% sales tax.
This sentance is misleading. It wouldn't be the price of a gallon of milk (whatever it ends up being) plus a 23% sales tax. It would be the price of a gallon of milk plus a 29.87% sales tax.

If a gallon of milk had a price of $1.00 without tax, you would pay $0.2987 in federal sales taxes.

Yet again using the tax inclusive sales tax rate causes confustion.
41 posted on 08/03/2004 10:04:25 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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I'll accept nothing less!


42 posted on 08/03/2004 10:05:10 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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Now ... bear in mind, this rebate isn't only paid to the poor. It is paid to everyone, rich and poor alike. The purpose here is to make sure that no American has to pay the Fair Tax sales tax on the basic necessities of life. Unlike the present income tax system, the Fair Tax treats each and every person in this country exactly the same. This, of course, presents somewhat of a problem to politicians who like to use the tax code to foment class distrust or outright warfare.

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to exempt the necessities - food, clothing, medicine, shelter, and tax the rest? Then you don't need to trck everyone's address or bank account to send monthly checks.

And with all the talking over this issue, why can't anyone come up with a reasonable explanation of what the embeeded tax is, and how high it is? Every article has new figures.

52 posted on 08/03/2004 10:23:58 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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How is the embedded tax going to be completely dissolved as Boortz suggests?


78 posted on 08/03/2004 11:08:04 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Procrastinate later)
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And also, how would this tax system affect the overall tax revenue to the treasury?


79 posted on 08/03/2004 11:09:16 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Procrastinate later)
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The Fair Tax could turn out to be the best poverty-fighting tool devised in this country since the concept of hard work.

For this reason alone the Dims will oppose the Fair Tax.

The Dims love the poor. That's why they work so hard to ensure they remain poor. If they managed to dig themselves out of poverty, the Dims wouldn't love them anymore.

Shalom.

83 posted on 08/03/2004 11:18:52 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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What makes anyone think the wholesaler, retailer or distributor would ever lower their prices to reflect the taxes they no longer pay for the product. It will never work as long as there are people trying to make more money(a good thing). I just do not think anyone will benefit from lower prices, they are figured in right now and if this tax plan goes into effect, the profit margins for the seller will increase.
109 posted on 08/03/2004 2:25:06 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and Weather are our only news.)
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